My own AEFW (Acro Eating Flatworms) images
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blstravler
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I agree I would not do it in tank, my comment was meant to see if it would even be an option? I am not sure it would even work...
Stoney Mahony
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Well I called on Thursday and left a message with a chemist that works for AP so hopefully I will hear back from him shortly.
Now...... this is something else I have been looking at as a possible in tank treatment. It's called Praziquantel and here is a link with a very good article. http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/articles_details.php?article_id=198&category=13&name=Medications
This stuff sounds harmless and easy as cake to use, I just don't think it's been tried on aefw yet. I will be using this in my experiments but if anyone wants to do some testing of there own, im tossing it out there b/c it sounds like it could work real good.
Also:http://www.public.iastate.edu/~day/research/research resistance.html
Now...... this is something else I have been looking at as a possible in tank treatment. It's called Praziquantel and here is a link with a very good article. http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/articles_details.php?article_id=198&category=13&name=Medications
This stuff sounds harmless and easy as cake to use, I just don't think it's been tried on aefw yet. I will be using this in my experiments but if anyone wants to do some testing of there own, im tossing it out there b/c it sounds like it could work real good.
Also:http://www.public.iastate.edu/~day/research/research resistance.html
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wentreefgirl
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I want to say its been tried but not to a test study extent. Hey, anything to deal with these critters.
Stoney Mahony
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Yeah, I just searched rc and all I could find was one guy who tried it on his qt but all his stuff died anyways so he didn't know if it worked or not. I can't stress enough how important it is to try things for yourself sometimes. When I read through some of these old posts, it makes me sick to see some people let there ego's get in the way when others suggest new treatments. New treatments are answered with"thats been done and doesnt work" and then you never hear about them again. It's really sad, I was told the same about fluke tabs even though I had pics,results and all. Just put your hater blockers on
Again the problem with using Praziquantel in a reef tank is it will most likely kill the entire worm population in the sandbed.
Maybe in a BB tank it would cause little harm I don't know, but in a DSB it would be very upsetting to the biological balance.
I use it from time to time in my fish QT to de-worm certain high risk fish (parrotfish)
John
Maybe in a BB tank it would cause little harm I don't know, but in a DSB it would be very upsetting to the biological balance.
I use it from time to time in my fish QT to de-worm certain high risk fish (parrotfish)
John
two things - one is what john f said about collateral damage to other worms in the tank is a concern in an established reef and the second is that I have tried praziqantel in bowls on my AEFW at varrying concentrations and it did not work for me - it might work on other flatworms but the ones I have - it did not kill or even really seem to bother them
Dudester
Premium Member
Not to intentionally contradict what others have said, but I have treated my small reef in the past with praziquantel (Prazi-Pro) to help rid my tank of the (previously) more common and less virulent flatworms, and I did not notice a detrimental effect to the tank whatsoever. I'll also admit that it wasn't all that effective in killing the flatworms, either. I wasn't flatworm-free until my sixline wrasse got to them. I sure wish sixlines would eat AEFW!!
zapata41
In Memoriam
ok well it's done.
Now time for the write up on the treatment.
i took pics as i went to help show how everything did.
Overview:
Tank is approx 250g total volume.
treatment was 103 flue tabs, disolved in hot water, added directly to sump.
Treatment time, tank soaked for 20 min. before removal efforts were started.
Removal methods, 100g water change, approx 3/4 gallon of activated carbon in sump, heavy wet simming.
Losses, one blood shrimp, all snails, prolly any other crabs i had also. So treatment is kinda like interceptor on those guys. Shrimp was taken out after 20min once noticed his twitching, now resides in seahorse tank, partial paralysis, might pull out of it.
Observations:
Corals that were infected the heaviest with AEFW slimmed the most during the soak, millis, tri color, efflos, etc.
Polyp extension was about 75% of normal thoughout entire process .
Fish activities were about that same as they would be if a stranger was standing infront of the tank, the usual hiding of fish with the occasional open water swimming.
No signs of AEFW on undersides of corals. Still a little too cloudy to see eggs that were on the base of one milli.
Skimmer is going nuts and having a field day.
OK, now for the pics
Now time for the write up on the treatment.
i took pics as i went to help show how everything did.
Overview:
Tank is approx 250g total volume.
treatment was 103 flue tabs, disolved in hot water, added directly to sump.
Treatment time, tank soaked for 20 min. before removal efforts were started.
Removal methods, 100g water change, approx 3/4 gallon of activated carbon in sump, heavy wet simming.
Losses, one blood shrimp, all snails, prolly any other crabs i had also. So treatment is kinda like interceptor on those guys. Shrimp was taken out after 20min once noticed his twitching, now resides in seahorse tank, partial paralysis, might pull out of it.
Observations:
Corals that were infected the heaviest with AEFW slimmed the most during the soak, millis, tri color, efflos, etc.
Polyp extension was about 75% of normal thoughout entire process .
Fish activities were about that same as they would be if a stranger was standing infront of the tank, the usual hiding of fish with the occasional open water swimming.
No signs of AEFW on undersides of corals. Still a little too cloudy to see eggs that were on the base of one milli.
Skimmer is going nuts and having a field day.
OK, now for the pics
zapata41
In Memoriam
ok so here's how i started
dilute all 103 tabs
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment001.jpg" border="0">
now a few pics of what it was, just incase i loose it all, atleast the pg&e bill will be cheaper
full tank <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment002.jpg" border="0">
the prop tank
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment015.jpg" border="0">
heavily infected acro
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment006.jpg" border="0">
meds going in the sump
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment016.jpg" border="0">
clouding up the display with fluke
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment017.jpg" border="0">
dilute all 103 tabs
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment001.jpg" border="0">
now a few pics of what it was, just incase i loose it all, atleast the pg&e bill will be cheaper
full tank <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment002.jpg" border="0">
the prop tank
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment015.jpg" border="0">
heavily infected acro
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment006.jpg" border="0">
meds going in the sump
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment016.jpg" border="0">
clouding up the display with fluke
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment017.jpg" border="0">
zapata41
In Memoriam
ten minutes into the soak. infected coral sliming away
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment019.jpg" border="0">
and after the 100g water change, still cloudy
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment024.jpg" border="0">
ok well thats all. looks like the astrea snails survived nicely. the two shrimps are gonners though, well the blood is still "alive" in the seahorse tank, but the coral banded is 100% dead.
well as of current i have no regrets about the soak. Hopefully this will say that there is a away to do display tank treatments like interceptor for AEFW.
ok well will give updates as they come . hopefully tomorrow will be nice and clear sailing.
Tim
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment019.jpg" border="0">
and after the 100g water change, still cloudy
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/zapata41/fluke%20treatment/fluketreatment024.jpg" border="0">
ok well thats all. looks like the astrea snails survived nicely. the two shrimps are gonners though, well the blood is still "alive" in the seahorse tank, but the coral banded is 100% dead.
well as of current i have no regrets about the soak. Hopefully this will say that there is a away to do display tank treatments like interceptor for AEFW.
ok well will give updates as they come . hopefully tomorrow will be nice and clear sailing.
Tim
Stoney Mahony
New member
Looks good I am sure the next few days will be a good indication of what this stuff does in-tank. It's great that it didnt hurt any fish, I think I could deal w/ a few shrimp losses. Good luck, and keep us posted!
I am sure the next few days will be a good indication of what this stuff does in-tank. It's great that it didnt hurt any fish, I think I could deal w/ a few shrimp losses. Good luck, and keep us posted!
wentreefgirl
New member
Where did you get that many fluke tabls all at once? Just tagging along.
Stoney Mahony
New member
You can buy them by the 1000 from many of the online stores
zapata41
In Memoriam
i picked them up from custom aquatics.
ok well now that the nightmares are over, i can awake and see how the tank really looks, thankfully it was better than that of my dreams.
So all limpets in the tank are toast, finally got those little buggers off the bottoms of my acros.
two colonies look to be having some trouble, but, note, they were stn'ing before the treatment.
In the prop tank, there are no signs of my two chromis' and the flasher wrasse loks stressed and breathing heavily. the tang looks fine though. mind you that all the water siphoning was from the display so the prop tank prolly had the meds in a little longer and is having them removed a little slower since the flow through that tank is as great as it is for the display.
the zoas and clove polpys loks stressed, prolly because they were like catchers' mits for some of the meds that were 1000% disolved.
signs of life in the diplay look pretty normal for a early morning, hopefully there are no deaths when i come home.
I will be bringing home about 5g worth of carbon to place in the sump. I dont think the carbon that i have is taking it out fast enough, or is full of meds and cant take anymore out.
I also think that i went way over 4x dosage since i went off theoretical tank volume, not subtracting for rocks and such.
The clam is still alive too.
so only thing i am concerned about is the following treatment in two weeks, since that is how long you are supposed to wait for the eggs to hatch , right?
Ok well that's all for now
Tim
ok well now that the nightmares are over, i can awake and see how the tank really looks, thankfully it was better than that of my dreams.
So all limpets in the tank are toast, finally got those little buggers off the bottoms of my acros.
two colonies look to be having some trouble, but, note, they were stn'ing before the treatment.
In the prop tank, there are no signs of my two chromis' and the flasher wrasse loks stressed and breathing heavily. the tang looks fine though. mind you that all the water siphoning was from the display so the prop tank prolly had the meds in a little longer and is having them removed a little slower since the flow through that tank is as great as it is for the display.
the zoas and clove polpys loks stressed, prolly because they were like catchers' mits for some of the meds that were 1000% disolved.
signs of life in the diplay look pretty normal for a early morning, hopefully there are no deaths when i come home.
I will be bringing home about 5g worth of carbon to place in the sump. I dont think the carbon that i have is taking it out fast enough, or is full of meds and cant take anymore out.
I also think that i went way over 4x dosage since i went off theoretical tank volume, not subtracting for rocks and such.
The clam is still alive too.
so only thing i am concerned about is the following treatment in two weeks, since that is how long you are supposed to wait for the eggs to hatch , right?
Ok well that's all for now
Tim
Neptune777
Premium Member
Good luck zapata41!! Sounds like things are progressing nicely........ I am sure you will keep us up to date on the progress..
melev
Well-known member
It sounds like a nightmare to me.
"the zoas and clove polpys loks stressed, prolly because they were like catchers' mits for some of the meds that were<b>n't</b> 1000% disolved." Was that what you meant to say?
Perhaps pulling the fish out would be a better option while the reef tank is being treated, similar to removing all humans and pets when fumigating a domicile.
