my rice experiment

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thebanker said:
Any concerns about the high manganese content?
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manganese is present in our tanks, infact we do dose it at time, but the actual content in our tank vs the content in the rice.....I really dont know

but since its just a cup or so of rice, I don't think we need to worry about it giving off too much manganese

if u do the math, 1 cup of rice is less than 100g, so technically you will have less than 1mg of maganese to worry about in 100g of system volume
you add more than this with your iron and maganese additive
:)
 
48 hour update

1.water has turned hazy, infact its cleared up a little from the morning
2.rice started tumbling without increasing the flow or any further changes to the reactor, this either means that the rice has been partially consumed, or the heavy particles of the rice has been skimmed out making the rice easier to tumble.
3.dino is somewhat the same
4.cyno is starting grow more, but very very slowly (either that or I didnt check the cyno properly before starting this experiment).
5.all tank inhabitants are good, fish are healthy, corals are fully opened if not extending more than usual
6.ph is 7.95-7.97, so thats normal
 
is there anything else other than no3 and po4 that you guys want me to test for or watch out for?
po4 will be tested with the hanna checker as soon as it arrives
no3 will be tested within a few mins
 
I've been reading thru the threads of bio-pellets and it seems that people run their GFO along with the bio pellets for a couple of weeks.....oooppsss I completely took off my gfo when I started the RC reactor (new name for the RiCe reactor :) ), should I just throw in some gfo?
 
Some people do, some don't. Some pellets are touted as being better at removing PO4, while others don't seem to be making that claim. It is so early in the craze, that the sales pitches haven't really been sorted out from fact. I would run it the way you are, unless you start to see numbers going bad fast. Otherwise, you will get even less clear results on the rice experiment.
 
noahm said:
Some people do, some don't. Some pellets are touted as being better at removing PO4, while others don't seem to be making that claim. It is so early in the craze, that the sales pitches haven't really been sorted out from fact. I would run it the way you are, unless you start to see numbers going bad fast. Otherwise, you will get even less clear results on the rice experiment.
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sure, just call me guniea pig......lol
I guess ur right about the results being uneven if I use GFO now, lets see how things shape up.....
 
I just checked my current po4 and no3.......
since my po4 kit was almost over I couldn't get a proper reading but it seemed very light colored and as close to zero as I could tell
no pic since it was difficult to get the color

NO3.....
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it was difficult to get the pic to show the right color, but its 2.5
 
Fishamatank said:
It was my opinion, you are trying something that is a little "out there", and are doing things a little backwards. You've already introduced the rice and are now checking if it leaches NO3 or PO4 after it's already in the tank. I hope it works, but I highly doubt the next big thing in reef keeping will be a "rice reactor". I hope it works out for you, it was not my intent to offend you, but you are introducing a lot of unknowns into your system.
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SO?

Are you of the opinion that putting a whole bunch of beads full of plasticizers in your tank is safe? Rice seems much safer to me.
 
RichConley said:
SO?

Are you of the opinion that putting a whole bunch of beads full of plasticizers in your tank is safe? Rice seems much safer to me.
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This is a subject that this thread aims at solving.
I'm sure the manufacturers of the pellets know what's good and what's not for a reef, but with the rice we have all natural product with MAYBE added chemicals that we don't know about. Tha why we need to wash the rice throughly first.

And to answer ur question, by the end of this experiment I'll be able to tell u if the rice is indeed effective as a solid sourc of carbon.
 
RichConley said:
SO?

Are you of the opinion that putting a whole bunch of beads full of plasticizers in your tank is safe? Rice seems much safer to me.
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The polymer beads we put into reactors have proven to be more inert in salt water than the rice, and are not covered in vitamins or rice dust as a result of processing. It seems like washing the rice is a MUST for this filtration method.

FWIW, I occasionally use IO liquid polymer for C dosing, and it works very well.

And if you think rice is 100% natural because it's food, watch the movie "Food, Inc." and then tell me what you think.
 
I dont like this, first i had to share my vodka and now I gotta share my rice too ? lol

sorry that was a joke, lol,. just wanted to follow up here :)

nice experiment.
 
thebanker said:
The polymer beads we put into reactors have proven to be more inert in salt water than the rice, and are not covered in vitamins or rice dust as a result of processing. It seems like washing the rice is a MUST for this filtration method.

FWIW, I occasionally use IO liquid polymer for C dosing, and it works very well.

And if you think rice is 100% natural because it's food, watch the movie "Food, Inc." and then tell me what you think.
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washing the rice is NOT A MUST, but so far with what we're doing we have all washed it to avoid the dust ect getting into our tanks. when you wash the rice you will see that water turns milky almost immediately, this shows that there is a lot of dust/coating. the question is, is this dust/coating useful or harmful? I really dont know. but in the case of carbon, we rinse/wash it in water to get rid of the carbon dust just cuz we dont want it in the tank. infact carbon ash/dust at times is better for our tank. In the same way I washed/rinsed the rice.

is Rice 100% natural.....lol, do I really need to answer that? even if it was, they add all kinds of stuff just to preserve it in the package......but I can tell u this......whatever is in rice, is NOT harmful to humans, and in theory is not harmful to the reef......
 
Allmost said:
I dont like this, first i had to share my vodka and now I gotta share my rice too ? lol

sorry that was a joke, lol,. just wanted to follow up here :)

nice experiment.
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if this works out, image the purists coming in and saying, "Tangs prefer Italian rice, but if ur going FOWLR u might as well use regular rice".....lol
 
Fish from the red sea prefer a Middle Eastern, long-grain rice. Try basmati, or possibly jasmine. While it's hot, add a good amount of butter, and toss it lightly with some powdered sumac. Once the butter and sumac are nicely blended, add the mixture to your rice reactor at a slow tumble.
 
kkil4life said:
This is a subject that this thread aims at solving.
I'm sure the manufacturers of the pellets know what's good and what's not for a reef, but with the rice we have all natural product with MAYBE added chemicals that we don't know about. Tha why we need to wash the rice throughly first.

And to answer ur question, by the end of this experiment I'll be able to tell u if the rice is indeed effective as a solid sourc of carbon.
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......or just go with a rice that's USDA certified organic. You can avoid a lot of potential problems concerning additives by going that route.

DJ
 
DJREEF said:
......or just go with a rice that's USDA certified organic. You can avoid a lot of potential problems concerning additives by going that route.

DJ
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organic rice is another route, but even organic rice might have something thats not reefsafe......just cuz its safe for human consumption does not mean that its safe for the reef
 
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