M Woodhill
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I'm sendin it to the animal lab in the ottawa u
talked with our education counselor---seemingly there's an animal researchin department either in the ottawa u or carleton
my ritteri has arrived
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I'm sendin it to the animal lab in the ottawa u
talked with our education counselor---seemingly there's an animal researchin department either in the ottawa u or carleton
M Woodhill
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the water parameter is fine. i always keep salinity of 35/36 ppm, going around 1.026--1.028. the latter is said to be more subject to temperature and the former more accurate
both nitrate--salifert and phosphate--hanna are 0
yet phosphate readin isn't very stable, rangin from 0.06 to 0.00
gonna add some seachem purigen and phosban to the socks to strengthen the ability of phosphate removal
the biggest problem is ph, constantly droppin 0.01 per day. it's 8.09 to 8.10 right now
will be dosin seachem buffer--as someone else suggests in another thread and make it stable at 8.30
and i got some pe mysis to which the nem acted kinda positively. i fed one mysis--really small--to it with a pipette and it caught and tried to put it in mouth. alas, it spent too long to resist the wave that finally took it away
another piece was taken away by a clown---my first time to see clowns robbin a nem of food
so i'd like to try tomorrow
psusocr
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your ph drops 0.01 per day? ive taken you very serious in this thread but some things your saying are plain crazy...i have ph swings from 8.30 during the day to 7.9 and lower sometimes at night, i only use carbon and phosban and use it at very low levels..I dose NOTHING i use live rock and cheato and a monster skimmer i only feed my nem about every 2-3 months, i keep my big three very stable (cal,mag and alk)...by keeping on changing things your just making everything worse..KEEP IT SIMPLE. leave the nem alone, let it acclimate itself and it will be fine.In matter of fact i would have never touched it from when you first recieved it. more changes and you will be changing all the dynamics in your tank, esp your bacteria populations and your going to soon throw everything very out of whack and start kiling corals. the pics you posted i beleive last looked like a totally normal ritteri, yet your makign plans to ship it out when it "dies". Just relax and enjoy the nem. i aso like getting down to the why's and hows and the science behind things but sometimes you have to just accept the unknown..
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shred5
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I stopped replying a while ago because I was thinking something was up here. He did exact opposite of what people said.
With a anemone like this the most common problem is a small tear in the foot and would most likely be dead by now. If it has survived this long it would be out of the woods. Fact is an anemone that inflated and deflates is adapting and will move to where it feels comfortable and should be left alone to find its own spot. It also should not be put in the highest spot right off the bat just incase it has been in kept under less light for a while.
With a anemone like this the most common problem is a small tear in the foot and would most likely be dead by now. If it has survived this long it would be out of the woods. Fact is an anemone that inflated and deflates is adapting and will move to where it feels comfortable and should be left alone to find its own spot. It also should not be put in the highest spot right off the bat just incase it has been in kept under less light for a while.
M Woodhill
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well, the reading is shown on the ghl controler
it has dropped from 8.24 to 8.09
i dose bio calcium three parts and bio magnesium so ca, mg and alk are always stable. but ph just drops day by day even despite a weekly water chage
the nem fell exactly into a cycle of inflation and deflation. perfect timing at 2 o'clock it starts now
quoted as saying, an inflated and deflated mag/gig never makes it, i don't guess it will stand there long
and i agree with the fact that a mag inflates and deflates regularly dooms
experts say so for those who need reference. the latest quotation i read comes from julian sprung
M Woodhill
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yet i chose what to listen to and what not
i have my own judgment
i agree with some one here and ordered a 30 gallon quarantine tank with led lighting and hanging protein skimmer for quarantine or hospitalization
yet another story i wanna follow up is the other deflating and inflating mag shown in this thread. cuz the result can count for my database how a mag/gig does after the cycle of deflation and inflation. now the statistical figure shows it's all to zero
i have my own judgment
i agree with some one here and ordered a 30 gallon quarantine tank with led lighting and hanging protein skimmer for quarantine or hospitalization
yet another story i wanna follow up is the other deflating and inflating mag shown in this thread. cuz the result can count for my database how a mag/gig does after the cycle of deflation and inflation. now the statistical figure shows it's all to zero
ousnakebyte
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I have started to type something in response several times now and just deleted the post, usually shaking my head in an epic fail, face-palm sort of jesture...
Honestly, nearly every time I read a response by the OP - especially the latest regarding a (personal?) gigantea and magnifica database used for statistical significance - I just find myself in a lost state of confusion, ever so eloquently exclaiming, "HUH?!?"
Thus, I'm now following for pure entertainment value...
Mike
Honestly, nearly every time I read a response by the OP - especially the latest regarding a (personal?) gigantea and magnifica database used for statistical significance - I just find myself in a lost state of confusion, ever so eloquently exclaiming, "HUH?!?"
Thus, I'm now following for pure entertainment value...
Mike
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LoneRanger
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M Woodhill
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i don't know what's for entertainment
well, probably for someone that won't live long, this is a problem
yet given that i can collect only just one case every half a year, by my birthday of forty, i can at least collect thirties of inflation and deflation cases and check how many out of mags/gigs survive the cycle
i guess i ain't lost but shocked that there's still someone that fails to understand the meaning of recording and history. or probably they only count on massive polls and statistics based on tens or hundreds of thousands samples
however there's a similar survey online that depicts the statistical relations between survival and feeding, lighting, salinity, blablabla. pita it didn't research on how many survive the inflation and deflation cycle
Thanks for posting the parameters. As you have heard, keeping a perfectly stable ph is not important. Anywhere between 8 and 8.3 should be fine. I wouldn't add any buffer, let your water changes do that. In my opinion, the one suggestion (to put the anemone in a hospital tank and treat it with anitbiotics) that you did follow, is the one suggestion you should not have followed. I don't believe taking the anemone out of the display and subjecting it to antibiotics were warranted. Perhaps it helped, but I personally think it was another transition that the anemone would have been better off without having to acclimate to. But, that's history. Again, I hope your anemone does fine.
psusocr
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ive had three anemones that have inflated/deflated and all have survived long term including my current nem. I have pictures to prove what im saying.. I thnk its an initial cycle it goes through to flush itself and get used to the system sometimes but if you keep everything in check and leave it alone it will be fine in the long run.
ousnakebyte
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Oh... others get it, I'm sure.
Better watch my cholesterol then...
[sarcasm]
I wait on the edge of my seat - in dire anticipation - for the results of this rigorous experiment and PRAY that it makes publication. I'm sure every variable over the next - what, 15? 20? years... - is going to be impeccably controlled and this life's work of data collection is going to change the way we think about captive anemone care...
You might check NSF or NIH for grant/funding opportunities - I just know they'll be all ears...
Cholesterol check starts after the holidays. I gotta live long enough to read this thesis...
[/sarcasm]
LOLZ...
More likely - I think we will have "thirties" dead giganteas and magnificas with no isolated variable as the actual, definitive cause... :thumbdown
In other words, why don't ya NOT run this little Masters thesis and save the lives of some wild animals that were plucked off a reef. Just a thought.
[disdain]
You may rest well tonight knowing that in my line of work, I fully understand the "meaning of recording and history."
In other words, yes, I understand the importance of a proper, testable hypothesis, data collection, replicates, sound techniques, etc. - that whole scientific method hoosey-whatsit. And, yes, I also understand that n=30 can be statistically significant.
[/disdain]
Mike
BonsaiNut
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I just want to be there when a 3-day old bag of dead anemone shows up at the University in Ottawa and they crack the seal on it
I would laugh so hard I would #$%@# my pants M Woodhill
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I just want to be there when a 3-day old bag of dead anemone shows up at the University in Ottawa and they crack the seal on it
fortunately those lab guys don't think in your way
ps, included the 3 cases, i've collected 14 samples
n=30? wow, seemingly soon to get enough
BonsaiNut
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Let me know how they will prove causality on that pool of bacteria that they will open up.
Additionally, he was being sarcastic with the whole n=30 comment. You might want to brush up on your statistics - that was the whole point.
M Woodhill
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i guess there's some guy necessary to know more about statistics
that's the whole point
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