My SPS propagation setup, in progress

Easily Distracted said:
Joe,
You gotta let me see your sump room one of these days..... In this thread, you almost forget there's even a main tank. -John

When ever you want.
 
JB - the setup looks really nice.
since the flow is in one direction it is much more laminar rather than turbulent. are you going to rotate the frags periodically to deal w/ this or are you just not worried about it?
 
Don't know yet, I'll have to play around and see how it goes. Not a big deal if I need to rotate them once in a while.
 
When I set up the raceway. I tore down my existing sump and refugium and added new ones. Anyway, here are two shots of the new setup so you get an idea of how the water flows to all the tanks.

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Looking from the sump.


Looking from the raceway. notice the little piece of macro I have :D
 
Sweet setup , did you notice any effect of breaking down the refugium/sump in the main? Animals all stayed happy?
 
I had no problems. I was real worried about siphoning out the DSB from the old refugium. But other than clouding the tank for a few hours nothing was effected. My skimming has dropped off a lot since the move, that might have something to do with all the new PVC piping (all glued 2-24 hours before use) I added. I added some polyfilters and carbon after the move as well.
 
Oh yeah, my biggest concern was that I had the main tank shut off for a little over 6 hours while I moved and re-plumbed everything. I had heaters in the tanks as well as power heads and airstones. It was only about 25F outside and the basement is only about 60F max. Anytime I transferred water to one of the tanks it didn't take too long for the temperature to drop almost 10F in that tank.
 
I have been designing a new sump/refuge as well. I think your raceway system is so great, I am also incorporating one. I will be leaving the bottom af mine clear as it will actually be partially setting on top of my refuge and the light transmitted through the bottom will be utilized.

Mine will just be up and back 30". Basically a U with a total length of 60" and I am going with 4" wide. Maybe a little wider if I can fit it in my design.

Anyway, I have had the same concerns about the linear flow through this type of system and have an idea I would like to run by you.

What about putting little 1 or 2 inch wings in the channel installed vertically and at a angle slightly greater than 90. alternate sides of the chanel with every wing. This will cause the water to bounce back and forth and create some swirling and eddies too.

The downside is the arrangement of the eggcrate for holding the plugs will require several small sections rather than long strips.

Thoughts? Pro's and Con's

It is so very nice to have such great people and tanks here to look up to and be inspired by.
 
Joe, what a great thread. I enjoyed reading all that you've accomplished in one sitting. It looks to me like there is one powerhead in your unit, or am I incorrect?

I'm actually planning the exact same thing for my 29g. It is on a wall with closet behind it. All I have in there right now is Phytoplankton and Rotifers, and I thought a small prop tank would be perfect to get my little zoanthids a chance to get established before my hermits can wreak havoc on them. From the prop tank it would go to my refugium & sump below the 29g.

I have a Remora Pro that will handle the total water volume, and I wanted to incorporate that into the prop tank to get it off the main display. Making the rat runs seems like a wonderful solution to avoiding stagnant spots. I'm going to have to do a little thinking....
 
I had a thought on my previous suggestion. Would the little "wings" just change the constant linear flow to a constant non-linear flow, rather than something close to random? And is this really any better?

Personally, I think it would be a little bit better, but maybe not enough to make a difference, since they are just small frags in there.
 
i was thinking about your other post stranglehold and i think i agree. it would be somewhat better, but how much, i'm really not sure. i think in a system like this the solution might be to just rotate the frags periodically.
 
Hey, all new questions great!!

I generally do things really slow with my setup. So right now I only have one of the channels with frags in it, about 6 of them(yeah, I know...don't put too many in there now :D ). Nice thing is the raceway is huge and I can probably fit 120-150 frags in the thing easily. I've been playing with mounting them, making sure the lighting is working out and observing flow.

Now that I have it set up, at this point I'm not really worried about the linear flow, I see the coral polyps whipping around a lot so the flow is a little turbulent.

stranglehold
What about putting little 1 or 2 inch wings in the channel installed vertically and at a angle slightly greater than 90. alternate sides of the chanel with every wing. This will cause the water to bounce back and forth and create some swirling and eddies too.

That would work. It might take space away from frags though. But if it could be removable it could be something to play with. I thought about something close to this. I just haven't thought of a way to mount it in the tank.

Mine will just be up and back 30". Basically a U with a total length of 60" and I am going with 4" wide. Maybe a little wider if I can fit it in my design.

I would stick with 4", mine is 5" and I would not go any more than that. The narrower the channel is, the quicker the flow will be through it.

melev

Hi Marc, There is no powerhead in the raceway. All flow is from the overflow of the refugium, so there are no pumps what so ever. I'm pushing maybe 800-850 GPH through it.

I nice thing about this way, is you don't have any of the problems that a powerhead gives you. With a powerhead if you have too much in front of the pump the flow will be blocked and everything behind it suffers. With the water coming from an overflow the water has to go somewhere. Because there is so much water coming into the tank, the flow actually gets stronger behind anything blocking the water flow. So there are a few benefits, as the frags grow the water flow will not slow down but speed up, because the water is now being restricted and forced to flow into a smaller area, sort of like putting your finger over the output of a garden hose.

But in the end, I'm not sure how much of a problem linear flow will be. The flow is definitely not just in one direction. Observing the polyps at night they don't just all point downstream. They do seem to blow haphazardly every once in a while. But time will tell on this point in the end. It's really not a big deal to rotate the frags. I could just pick up the whole eggcrate tray filled with frags and rotate the whole thing once every week or two, if it came down to it.

Here is one piece that I would do a little differently in the future and I'm still experimenting to see what works best. At the end of each channel I have a U turn. I would make this either smaller or no U at all. Right now the flow is not that turbulent down the channels. If I extend the wall out to leave only a 2" gap, rather than 5", I get a lot of turbulent heavy flow down the rest of the channel. Right now I have extended the wall, with a piece of acrylic, all the way to the end and lowered the top so only the top 1.5" is open for water to flow through. I am getting really nice flow in the channel doing it this way. But I'm still playing around. I hope that makes sense.
 
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