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That was always my thoughts with glass also, but I'm assuming it's 1 in a thousand in that case.
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That was always my thoughts with glass also, but I'm assuming it's 1 in a thousand in that case.
Kharn
MANTISMAN
Ever since I started to look into coral there has been one 'common' type that I have loved but could never 'pull the trigger on' on the simple basis that all I found were only 20mm-30mm clippings that cost +$100...
But I not only found some for under $100...but I found MUCH larger specimens!
5 all up.. 5 of THESE!
Tintin was kind enough to allow me to place these magnificent Forest Fire Rhodacts in place without being struck
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There was also a Ricordea purchased...my first Ultra Grade Ric!
Pics to come
But I not only found some for under $100...but I found MUCH larger specimens!
5 all up.. 5 of THESE!
Tintin was kind enough to allow me to place these magnificent Forest Fire Rhodacts in place without being struck
.There was also a Ricordea purchased...my first Ultra Grade Ric!
Pics to come
Kharn
MANTISMAN
Acans tend to be quite cheap ish
With the common grades being around $10-$20 for about a dozen heads while the ultra grades can be around $70 for half a dozen heads.
Scollys are usually a bit more with the cheapest being around the $50 and the most expensive ultra grade getting to around $300-$400 (6colors).
As for the Forest Fire Rhods & Ric I got...personally (Australian wise) I think I got it for a steal!
Generally the Forest Fire Rhods downunder won't sell for anything less then $100perpolyp and this are usually around the size of a thumbnail, just a clipping, these Forest Fire Rhods are each 2inchs with one being a good 2.5inchs and they cost me $60perpolyp!
I got really lucky on these 5 Forest Fire Rhods...just because I was PM'd by the seller so got in first xD they would of sold in seconds/minutes...
EDIT: This particular insane looking Scolly which is downunder and being held by a mate of mine is up for grabs for +$700...bit to rich for me rite now.
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H.reidi.MN
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Kharn you ever have a mantis try and eat a mushroom? Put a few yumas in my girls tank and I look over and whap she hits one and grabs it and trys to take it into her burrow ??? Wth
Kharn
MANTISMAN
They will not eat corals but they are very inquisitive, I have had this happen, what ends up happening is the mushroom/coral is used as part of the burrow entry/door, for a while I allowed my female G.smithii Eve to use a common cheap grade Ricordea as the door to the bottom right entry/exit hole for her DIY PVC burrow, but eventually her compartment became the Refugium it is today and so all coral was removed.
Nicole my female G.ternatensis has not tried to drag any of the Ric's into her burrow yet which I am thankful for.
Another reason that I think they may do this is because 'something' they can see is on or in the rock, something they might want to eat like a pod/crab.
But they will NEVER consume coral.
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I think it goes Vice versa in some cases when it comes to deciding whether or not a stomatopod is reef safe...
Mantis shrimp are reef safe, BUT the real question is are reefs mantis shrimp safe? Some corals like the sweepers of most lps (which may never come in contact with the stomatopod anyway) can give a nasty sting at night time.. I figured that out the hard way :angryfire: anemones which aren't exactly corals are also a threat depending on the kind of anemone that is (a tube/carpet would probably kill a sick stomatopod..)
Another thing to consiture is the lighting reef tanks need to grow.. although it depends on your water quality, setup, and species of stomatopod lighting can contribute to shell disease for any mantis prone to it in a reef tank.
Mantis shrimp are reef safe, BUT the real question is are reefs mantis shrimp safe? Some corals like the sweepers of most lps (which may never come in contact with the stomatopod anyway) can give a nasty sting at night time.. I figured that out the hard way :angryfire: anemones which aren't exactly corals are also a threat depending on the kind of anemone that is (a tube/carpet would probably kill a sick stomatopod..)
Another thing to consiture is the lighting reef tanks need to grow.. although it depends on your water quality, setup, and species of stomatopod lighting can contribute to shell disease for any mantis prone to it in a reef tank.
Kharn
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You are rite but since we as humans are 'Gods' that shape the world that is the home of our beloved pets, we can choose what to and what not to introduce to their home, ensuring that the original and primary inhabitant has full rites (a.k.a safety) to it's home/tank.
I know in the wild this isn't the case...
So in effect if one reads about things that are harmless to stomatopods such as for example Ricordeas/Rhodactids/Mushroom corals etc....one can then create a 'reef' with a stomatopod in it, happily resting at night knowing that no coral is going to encroach on their beloved pet.
As for the shell rot / lighting / water quality issue, again that is something we can totally control with good, high quality, stable water chemistry. If done, it won't cause a problem.
It's the choices we make that determine the overall life of the creatures we maintain, something we as humans are unique in having...choice.
H.reidi.MN
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Well i woke up and my big orange yuma is gone? The neon green yuma i had to take from her twice is beat up bad and booth released goo all over the tank now its cloudy ?
Kharn
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Perhaps she just doesn't like the Ric...I know this doesn't help
But it is a known FACT that Stomatopods DO NOT eat coral.
They will/can destroy it should they want to use it for their burrow/or burrow through it (SPS), but they will not seek to consume it.
This is a FTS of Nicoles compartment, riddled with over 50 Ric's most of which are not fixed to anything aside a small pebble and more then easy for her to move should she choose...yet she hasn't ever.
H.reidi.MN
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Ya I doubt she "ate" anything just either hates them or was curious enough to play with them... I hope the green recovers. The orange is with her in the burrow I believe ?
Kharn
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Considering the cost and value of Orange Ric's downunder...I think I would personally be on a bit of a search...I'd pull my tank apart to find it seeing as I just paid $150 for my 2inch diameter dull orange but still really nice and best I have Ric...
Having said this...It's the primary reason I made these Ric Ledges on the DIY PVC burrows, so smaller tiny frags etc. can be up out of the curiosity of the constant substrate foraging of these crazy critters!
H.reidi.MN
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Is the goo they released going to harm her? Also orange one is gone. She turned it into a pulpy mess and its nothing more than goo.
Also these both cost $5 bucks so no worries I'll probably try again. Orange was was nice though and about 2"
Also these both cost $5 bucks so no worries I'll probably try again. Orange was was nice though and about 2"
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Nah,
Put it this way, just throw any coral in there the odds of coral harming the stomatopod are less than as great as it breaking the glass tank. I personally never once seen my frogspawn extend sweepers.. my plate ocassionally, and my brain all the time.
A ric will release chemicals to burn up or prevent any neighboring corals. A zoanthid will do something similar. (seriously don't touch your face after zoanthids..) Leathers are toxic, if they come in contact with another coral than they'll release a palytoxin to either prevent it from growing anymore or kill it.
LPS on the other hand have sweeper tentacles.. When you read "aggressive" on LPS corals that means it has long sweeper tentacles that sometimes extend 6-10 inches across at night. This tentacles will sting and kill any neighbor corals to prevent growth. They can sting livestock or your hand but they rarely ever extend and the livestock knows better to begin with and will avoid them the little they're extended
SPS I don't know how that works but they're harmless IMO.
Basicly... a coral's sting/toxin ONLY effects other corals for the most part it's a very weak sting/chemical. Never touch your face after touching a coral tho..seriously don't..
Now an anemone on the other hand would kill a stomatopod.. anemones are "sticky" from their stinging cells harpooning what they touch.. if a small stomatopod or a stomatopod that isn't paying attention gets "stuck" to an anemone it could get stung really badly before it breaks free.
Put it this way, just throw any coral in there the odds of coral harming the stomatopod are less than as great as it breaking the glass tank. I personally never once seen my frogspawn extend sweepers.. my plate ocassionally, and my brain all the time.
A ric will release chemicals to burn up or prevent any neighboring corals. A zoanthid will do something similar. (seriously don't touch your face after zoanthids..) Leathers are toxic, if they come in contact with another coral than they'll release a palytoxin to either prevent it from growing anymore or kill it.
LPS on the other hand have sweeper tentacles.. When you read "aggressive" on LPS corals that means it has long sweeper tentacles that sometimes extend 6-10 inches across at night. This tentacles will sting and kill any neighbor corals to prevent growth. They can sting livestock or your hand but they rarely ever extend and the livestock knows better to begin with and will avoid them the little they're extended
SPS I don't know how that works but they're harmless IMO.
Basicly... a coral's sting/toxin ONLY effects other corals for the most part it's a very weak sting/chemical. Never touch your face after touching a coral tho..seriously don't..
Now an anemone on the other hand would kill a stomatopod.. anemones are "sticky" from their stinging cells harpooning what they touch.. if a small stomatopod or a stomatopod that isn't paying attention gets "stuck" to an anemone it could get stung really badly before it breaks free.
H.reidi.MN
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Ya I kinda knew all that in regards to sweeper tentacles and anemones etc... I have coral so I know its not going to harm the mantis. My concern is the fact that I can barley see in the tank its so cloudy and the mushrooms basically dissolved and released a bunch of goo and probably chemicals into the water..
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carbon and skimmer if you have one would remove it. Even if it doesn't no harm done.
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I'm running carbon in there already so hopefully its clear when I get home..
Kharn
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All corals have various levels of potency in their stings and they aren't just relative to other corals...certain LPS like Hammers/Anchors etc. have very strong stings...whilst some nems like BTAs have very very weak stings and are not sticky at all, whilst the carpet nems pack a whack in their sting and are very sticky.
Nems and Stomatopods do not mix...Dr.Caldwell told us all a great story once where he lost many speciemens to nems.
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BTAs are sticky, Infact I constantly touch mine to make sure it's sticky.. if it's sticky thats means it's healthy. However they are a much safer anemone compared to others.
I remember that story from roy.. it is scary.
I remember that story from roy.. it is scary.
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