My Ultimate Multi Mantis System(s)

[Nightwitch]

It's the entire concept of the Stomatopod alone that intrigues me and is what I think should be capitalized upon for the sake of cinema their strength/power alone is crazy and wonderful to watch but it's the mix of it all that would make them the "monster".

Those giant powerful strange eyes...
The incredible speed & flexability...
Their amazing survival skills...
The super intelligence...
And then the power as well...

All of it mixed into that "giant" sized "biphibian" monster.

i prefer to think of them as an intelligent, advanced species with their own cultural development and not inherently evil and bloodthirsty, but that's just me.

 

[Kharn]

i prefer to think of them as an intelligent, advanced species with their own cultural development and not inherently evil and bloodthirsty, but that's just me.

Neither do I what I merely stated and have been... is for the basis of a movie/cinema and it's hard to see a kind of "Flipper" story with a Stomatopod, why not utilize what they have and do, it's not about "evil/good"...

It's all about cinema and that is a world of personal opinion, what one likes, another hates, and vice versa, it CANNOT be possible for every single person to be happy ='[ unfortunately.

 

[Kharn]

But let me ask you this...

If you found a movie based upon Stomatopods and them "taking over the world/causing some kind of apocalypse" (think rise of the planet of the apes but with mantiseses) would you watch it... ?

 

[TundraGuy]

A mantis that big would break its own arm on impact. Even a 50 foot mantis would not cause a world ending dust cloud or volcano eruption. You guys need to see some of the toys we humans play with when engaging in theater. Some of the bunker busters we use are not much bigger then a baseball bat but pack significantly more force then a huge cavatation bubble would create, not to mention they travel far faster then 1,300 fps, no giving away nat secrets or anything not saying they only travail at but am aware of some breaking the 3,000 fps mark. A huge mantis would be very formidable but look at the limiting factors such as the animals own ability to handle the forces generated by a swing. Mantis are also not capable of walking out of water with any kind of practical use hence most out of water mantis roll.

Now onto pistol shrimp I have read a few things about mantis being killed by pistol shrimp. I have seen a lion get killed by a gazelle (kicked right in the jaw breaking the lions jaw it died a few days latter). So anything is possible. So to say one will always take out the other is far from the truth. I have seen mantis with all the supervision capabilities they have not take note of things directly in front of them. My mantis pays no attention to a 2" turbo snail that has been in the tank with him for months. The is offten found at the doorstep of the mantis at most the mantis trys to pry the turbo off his rocks and drops it an inch or two away from the entrance. Drop a nessareus anywhere in the tank and out like a rocket my peacock will engage combat.

I play pathfinder with some Army and Navy buddys every week so the fantasy world is no stranger to me (that should read "I am a nerd"). If fact there is a huge beast that looks like a giant stabber. Luckily I have never encountered one. But I think we may give mantis a mythic story when ever we talk about them hitting something. You could also say the same about how a huge mosquito could easily drill strait through sheets of steal and concrete to gain access to a blood bank. Or how's huge flee could jump so high it would take orbit around the earth. But the truth is as creatures get bigger they need better internal structures to support life. I wounded if you had a mantis that was say 6 feet long would its hart be strong enough to keep adequate profusion or would its large body's o2 demands limit its size and so on. Trully I would never wish to come face to face with one but truth is a came face to face with a small rattle snake and felt like I was going to die just from fear. Lol

 

[Nightwitch]

But let me ask you this...

If you found a movie based upon Stomatopods and them "taking over the world/causing some kind of apocalypse" (think rise of the planet of the apes but with mantiseses) would you watch it... ?

Nah. They'd get the science wrong, and the look too most likely. I find most popular depictions of stomatopods have a tough time dealing with their anatomy in an accurate way.

However, I will say that there was a period of time where every time I watched a horror or scifi (or scifi horror) movie with a big monster, my stock response was to yawn and say "Lily would scare the hell out of that thing." Lily being my peacock at the time.

 

[Kharn]

Nah. They'd get the science wrong, and the look too most likely. I find most popular depictions of stomatopods have a tough time dealing with their anatomy in an accurate way.

However, I will say that there was a period of time where every time I watched a horror or scifi (or scifi horror) movie with a big monster, my stock response was to yawn and say "Lily would scare the hell out of that thing." Lily being my peacock at the time.

In the world of cinema, the only thing reality can do is....:deadhorse:

They are not compatible xD

But ever since I found out about the Stomatopods I instantly thought why haven't they been in movies ...it's obvious I am a sukka for a monster flick, so it's a shame so many are...so crap. (I liked pacific rim ).

 

[Nightwitch]

A mantis that big would break its own arm on impact. Even a 50 foot mantis would not cause a world ending dust cloud or volcano eruption. You guys need to see some of the toys we humans play with when engaging in theater. Some of the bunker busters we use are not much bigger then a baseball bat but pack significantly more force then a huge cavatation bubble would create, not to mention they travel far faster then 1,300 fps, no giving away nat secrets or anything not saying they only travail at but am aware of some breaking the 3,000 fps mark. A huge mantis would be very formidable but look at the limiting factors such as the animals own ability to handle the forces generated by a swing. Mantis are also not capable of walking out of water with any kind of practical use hence most out of water mantis roll.

Now onto pistol shrimp I have read a few things about mantis being killed by pistol shrimp. I have seen a lion get killed by a gazelle (kicked right in the jaw breaking the lions jaw it died a few days latter). So anything is possible. So to say one will always take out the other is far from the truth. I have seen mantis with all the supervision capabilities they have not take note of things directly in front of them. My mantis pays no attention to a 2" turbo snail that has been in the tank with him for months. The is offten found at the doorstep of the mantis at most the mantis trys to pry the turbo off his rocks and drops it an inch or two away from the entrance. Drop a nessareus anywhere in the tank and out like a rocket my peacock will engage combat.

I play pathfinder with some Army and Navy buddys every week so the fantasy world is no stranger to me (that should read "I am a nerd"). If fact there is a huge beast that looks like a giant stabber. Luckily I have never encountered one. But I think we may give mantis a mythic story when ever we talk about them hitting something. You could also say the same about how a huge mosquito could easily drill strait through sheets of steal and concrete to gain access to a blood bank. Or how's huge flee could jump so high it would take orbit around the earth. But the truth is as creatures get bigger they need better internal structures to support life. I wounded if you had a mantis that was say 6 feet long would its hart be strong enough to keep adequate profusion or would its large body's o2 demands limit its size and so on. Trully I would never wish to come face to face with one but truth is a came face to face with a small rattle snake and felt like I was going to die just from fear. Lol

Hey Tundra -

Mantis will never scale up properly. It's not possible for lots of reasons. Nothing about their exoskeleton could handle it, nor their internal organs. They're evolutionarily constrained in size. However, I thought it would be fun to entertain potential forces involved, since I'm a projectile weapons geek, and I think the best approach was the last one - replicate the known acceleration of a mantis shrimp strike, but imagine the mass of a raptorial appendage scaled up to fit on a 6ft mantis instead of a 6 inch mantis. This gives of some idea of proportionality, and the 46,500 newton mark is impressive.

Yes, we humans have much better weapons, though the figures you give are woefully inadequate. The bullet from an M-16 goes about 3600 feet per second. A blast wave from a bunker buster is ludicrously faster and more powerful. The reason I chose to highlight the forces of more primitive weapons (aside from it being my job) is to show how fearsome we are as a predatorial species once you put tools in our hands.

 

[TundraGuy]

But let me ask you this...

If you found a movie based upon Stomatopods and them "taking over the world/causing some kind of apocalypse" (think rise of the planet of the apes but with mantiseses) would you watch it... ?

Yep and bring friends

 

[TundraGuy]

Yes, we humans have much better weapons, though the figures you give are woefully inadequate. The bullet from an M-16 goes about 3600 feet per second. A blast wave from a bunker buster is ludicrously faster and more powerful. The reason I chose to highlight the forces of more primitive weapons (aside from it being my job) is to show how fearsome we are as a predatorial species once you put tools in our hands.

I am tracking I was just pointing to the idea that a 22lr HV muzzle is around 1,200 to 1,300 (this is relating to the statment of "strikes as fast as a 22 caliber) and relating that to some of our busters flight speeds not the blast wave speed lol that's another story. The thing about the mantis swing is that it reaches full speed almost instantly unlike a swing of a sward or bat. We humans lack the ability to lock our joints then pretention our muscles and release. Life would just be wrong for humans in so many ways if he could. Ever hyper extend a joint?

Size for size as a hunter the mantis is top of the hill, upsize them to much and suddenly they fall right into the category of failed science freak.

 

[Kharn]

We can only hope and cross our fingers that something really truly good is done when finally a movie is made for the big screen, I just really hope that (and it's highly likely) they will be butchered into something along the lines of very cheap and dodgy japanese animated thing...

The 1st Starship Troopers was HUGE...unfortunately most of its predecessors were, shallow to say the least...

The 1st "Alien" was absolutely terrifying mostly because of the methods used to make it were ahead of its time and its why today it is still a very good and effective movie.

 

[Kharn]

Went into my LFS yesterday to purchase some more substrate to finish off the next DIY PVC Fake Wall Burrow and as soon as I saw this I instantly became interested....

Looks perfect for nano species <50mm like Haptosquilla / G.viridis / etc., each compartment is 10L, comes complete and very neat with it's own nice little LED fixture and the filtration is a fake wall along the whole rear which I saw to be very simply to change into a Refugium .




Would be very easy to make a 'STAND' of these, 3 of the Triple tanks to house 9 nano species I don't see it to hard plumbing the 3 tanks together to make 1 system either with maybe a sump to, maybe some really cheap morphs could make it under the light (doubt it xD).

 

[Kharn]

The next DIY PVC Fake Wall Burrow is almost ready to go! All that is left is for it to sit overnight in the empty tank so that anything that can fall off will fall off! This one is a bit neater then the previous we shall see how they look when beside one another once this one is in its home, hosting the Ricordeas.


Speaking of Ric's here is my super bright pink little Yuma, really can't wait to see it upon this new wall with the rest as you can see Nicole the little female smasher is still actively defending her latest and nicest Ricordea.



More to come as the wall moves in

 

[TundraGuy]

Like it. What keeps them against the back wall without falling forward?

 

[Kharn]

Like it. What keeps them against the back wall without falling forward?

Really good sizing I had to force the first one in place, there is no way it will fall forward, the first one couldn't be any wider or slimmer else it wouldn't of fit or would do as you say...fall forward, that's why I'm really happy with this design from the very 1st one they came out great! Took me 3-4 goes at the first style...

 

[Calappidae]

I understand we moved on from this topic with damage done by stomatopods at 6ft in size.. but I need to add 1 little detail... pressure.

You're forgetting a stomatopod strikes underwater, fighting a ton of pressure. If swinging a bat is close to a stomatopod's strike try swinging it underwater and then on land. There will be a huge change in speed, and damage in comparison. If stomatopods are already rediculously strong underwater with all that pressure and density in their strike, imagine a strike that's done freely out of water with nothing holding back. Either the stomatopod would rip itself appart or it would be extremely powerful.

I support this by my very first G. ternatensis when I started this hobby. The lfs took him out of water to bag him.. the employee walked away to get newpaper for extra support. The stomatopod wacked the side of the plastic container.. it was EXTREMELY LOUD... like seriously 30 feet across the store you could hear people screaming "WHAT WAS THAT?" even the manager came out questioning thinking something broke.

While everybody was screaming and panicing I was laughing so hard I nearly died! :lmao: Stomatopod:1 20 or so humans:0

 

[TundraGuy]

Yep got it they hit real real hard. Out of the water did it break the plastic container that was holding the mantis? I know when I tried to scoop my peacock out of the 5 gallon bucket I brought him home in he hit the plastic cup and I about returned fire from just the sound. But your forgetiing part of the mantis strike that makes it so special is that its done underwater. Cavitaion is a fluid dynamic that does not happen in open air as we see underwater. Being that is a part of the destructive force from the strike I think you are limiting the mantis by bringing out of the water .

 

[Calappidae]

Container cracked. That is true about the lack of cavitation bubbles.

 

[Kharn]

Here is a fun fact

The Ultimate Multi Mantis Systems along with the live food tank stretch out tank to tank by over 29ft or over 10meters!

 

[Kharn]

Well Nicoles Ricordea Garden under went a complete redesign like that of the Rhodactids Garden . She seems quite happy in her new home and has actively been seen entering and leaving the burrow carrying rubble into it.

BEFORE


AFTER - Unfortunately I made this wall 1-2 eggcrate cubes to short in height, simply because this compartment has a very slightly deeper depth in water then the one beside it (long story...), but to prevent her getting behind I neatly cut a piece of eggcrate that sits in tight, only 1 eggcrate row is below the surface but there are 5 above it.


FTS - Rics Left / Rhods Right


Nicole curiously accessing her new home

 

[Calappidae]

What kind of glue/putty did you use to make those?