myths about CUC

Sk8r

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1. inverts don't have to be acclimated.
WRONG. They're touchier than many fish, because their shells don't allow them to 'sweat'. Give them about 30 min of slow adjustment of salinity. A refractometer can tell you accurately how soon you can put them across. A .001 difference is good enough, for them, or for most fish. Creatures can actually die while waiting in the limited bag: so the minute that bag is opened (starting a chemical reaction involving ph) test the bag water with the refractometer. Then test the tank, being careful to wipe the instrument off. If you are bang-on, go right ahead and transfer the invert to your tank: I do recommend an intermediate swish in clean tank water, just for comfort---hoping to dislodge any ich parasites that may be traveling in the bag water.
2. snails and hermits don't have a long lifespan.
WRONG: Don't buy cold-water snails (margaritas and some varieties of turbos) who don't survive long above 75 degrees. Buy astraeas and ceriths, and plan to 'flip' rock dwelling snails upright with a chopstick and move them back to rock or glass if you see them on the sand: they're just don't good at sand. Outside of that, if properly acclimated, and if hermits are supplied some very small shells (free or nearly so from your lfs, if you ask) you will not lose cleanup crew. Mine are all with me heading into the 5th year, and if I hadn't moved 5 years ago, we'd still have the originals from 7 years ago. (They went back to the lfs in the move.) Buy scarlets and micro blue-legs among the hermits: they're good citizens. You'll occasionally see them walk on a specimen, but they're very light and they don't hurt it.
3. Worms are bad.
WRONG: bristleworms are your friends. Just don't handle them. Their bristle have hooks which mate-up with the ridges on your fingers, and neither you nor the worm will be happy. If a fish should get a few bristles, harmless: they fall off after a couple of days; but the advantage to the fish in having worms about is life-saving. Worms can clean inside rocks. This is a good thing. Worms don't have biting mouths: worms suck. That's all they can do. They suck slime and liquified things. Since live fish and corals don't fall into the slime category, they're not on the menu. On the other hand, I believe that the survival of one of my corals which suffered an injury is due to the worms which constantly cleaned the 'bad' edge and let it heal over. It survived, and 5 years later is doing nicely.
4. Shrimp are good.
WRONG: some shrimp are fun; but many are royal pests. Peppermints will eat baby aiptasia and prevent their spread, but may not touch the adults, and they will occasonally bother corals. Coral-bandeds may have a taste for smaller fish, live ones; and cleaner shrimp may be so enthusiastic they over-do it in a small tank, and actually irritate the fish who too frequently receive their attention. Bumblebee shrimp are interesting, but bother your urchins. Harlequins have no bad habits that I know of, but are small and fragile.
5. crabs are good.
MOSTLY WRONG: emeralds are about the only one that don't harm anything; arrow crabs, while interesting, eat all your worms, and then don't help the tank much; hitchhikers are generally very bad; sally lightfoots are not good either, and grow to be the size of dinner plates.
6. urchins are good.
WITH RESERVATIONS: great algae cleaners, but if you like the way your rocks are setting, glue them before admitting one of these creatures. They also grow fast and get worse about moving rock and knocking things over.
7. starfish are fun
MOSTLY WRONG, FOR THE STARFISH OR YOUR SPECIMENS
leave them in the ocean. Brittle stars of the black/white/brown sort are good cleaners, a lot like worms. Green ones are tagged as fish-eaters. The red/blue linckia stars and basket stars are very hard to keep in anything under 200 gallons with a lot of rock; and impossible to keep in small tanks, where they starve. Big classic stars are reef predators. No way.
8. Exotics are fun
REALLY WRONG: they'll probably die in a new tank, and if they don't, they'll find something to eat you won't approve of, and a large fleshy dead thing is beyond the ability of a new tank to absorb, especially if it dies under the rockwork. Stick to the simple list: snails and hermits and bristleworms.
9. My CUC will restore my new tank to the white dead sterility it had before it cycled.
WRONG: your tank will never look that way again, nor should it. It will always be a little brown, green, yellow, and pink, just like the ocean. Bringing it ALIVE is what cycling was all about. Your CUC will not get rid of hair algae: that stuff grows from phosphate fertilizer, from spores that fall in from the air you breathe. You will see cycles of hair, of film, of green bubble, of various things; whenever you add a new rock or a cup of new sand it will get hair, etc. The spores are always there, and forget the fantasy that your CUC will save you: no. It's just the bottom tier of a circle of life...it cleans up dead things, cleans up too much food. What brings a tank to that fantasy-land perfection of the photos we offer as Tank of the Month? TIME. Time and good water-keeping. Phosphate comes in with rock, sand, fishfood, and tap-water that hasn't been ro/di filtered. Getting it out is a constant battle. A fuge helps. And eventually you have the preferred algae (pink coralline) instead of the hairy sort. But you'll always have algae. You just fight to get better algae. Don't buy things to 'eat' whatever's annoying you unless it fits into your tank's population nicely: just try to balance your tank, and avoid putting in more phosphate---ie, use ro/di. You can scrape, pick, age, do whatever you want, and have a hundred algae eaters at work, and you will only get to TOTM by cleaning up your water. A good skimmer; regular water changes with ro/di; a good salt mix; and elimination of phosphate are the one true way to a really good tank. A note: never mind getting a phosphate test. If you have algae, you HAVE phosphate, and the test won't read what the algae's holding. If you don't have algae, you don't need to test for phosphate either. So save the money and spend it on a ro/di filter.
 
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Aside from shrimp I have never acclimated any of my inverts (snails, crabs, etc.) Hell, most of them get shipped in moist paper towels anyway LOL.
 
Quite a post well thought out and concise(sp) you included a lot of good info in it and I think this should be a sticky in the new reefers posts. Well Done SK8R Grant
 
4. Shrimp are good. WRONG.

i just came to this realization recently. i've always had peppermint shrimp and cleaner shrimp and never thought much of it as they seemed to be a staple in the reef keeping industry. HOWEVER, i've recently caught my peppermint picking at coral (an open brain) now that all the aiptasia is completely gone. i've always found my shrimp annoying when i target feed my LPS and after seeing my peppermint (who used to only come out at night, but not anymore) pick at corals, i started observing them more carefully (hoping that maybe it was just picking at an already dying coral). i've since come to the conclusion that it appears to be trying to pry food out of the coral and thus ripping the flesh of of them.

in addition, after more careful observation of my shrimp, i've also noticed that my cleaner shrimp can be somewhat over-zealous when cleaning my tang, leaving small lesions in the tissue of my fish.

they are fun and cool to look at but in the end, i think in the future i might reconsider their benefits with caution. this was a definite eye-opener for me, along with my current opinion on hermit crabs, which i also thought were a staple in marine aquaria, and have since come to the conclusion that hermit crabs suck if you want to keep coral and/or snails.
 
Can be slower, depending on degree. Osmotic shock does not improve health of any specimen: one already stressed from transport is already vulnerable.

Re hermits: I suggested two that aren't easily mistaken for larger, more problematic species; but I have a perfectly fine fellow with zebra legs, definitely not to be confused with the guys who get much bigger and become a problem. If you have an expert lfs guy who can swear to you they stay micro, they may be fine. Just be sure they start out with a belly about the size of a wooden matchhead and don't get bigger. The little scarlets are among the most reliably small and reef-friendly.
 
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Just as an FYI, this is from a well known CUC vendor:

Acclimation (Snails, Limpets, Chitons & Hermit Crabs)

1. Float the bag in your tank to get the snail used to the temperature in your aquarium.

2. Wait 15 minutes.

3. Add contents to tank.

Important: Snails may go through shock during shipping, and be closed when they arrive. You should give them plenty of time to come out of their shells and move around before deciding they didn't make the trip. Ceriths may go dormant for up to 3 days.

You may find this to be different than the acclimation procedure you are used to carrying out. The reason we now ask our customers to use this procedure is because our snails and crabs live intertidally, and can handle swings in ph/salinity without a problem. However, what they can't handle is toxic levels of ammonia. During the shipping process, ammonia levels in the shipping bags build, while the ph level goes down. As the ph goes down the toxicity of ammonia also goes down. However, when your tank water with normal ph is introduced to the shipping bags, and the ph rises, so does the toxicity of the ammonia, and you will be poisoning the livestock. Please don't do this. Any other method of acclimation voids the Alive Arrival Guarantee.
 
If you want to trust their water. I prefer the intermediate rinse. And NOT adding the contents to the tank. Never-ever allow foreign water from a fish store into your tank.

They are correct about the dangers of being left in the bag too long. Once you open that bag, the clock is ticking, and you need to move expeditiously (definitely no longer than 30 minutes) to get whatever-you're-acclimating into the equivalent of your tank water (qt for fishes, direct to tank for inverts)---but again, I recommend an intermediate rinse. Creatures can be killed by too great caution in acclimation, like taking an hour to do it.

The safest of all methods of acclimation for sensitive specimens is to know the salinity of the shipper (a phone call will determine that) and have a qt tank already set to that salinity, which can then be adjusted slowly over a day, or an entire qt period of 4 weeks. Many parameters matter somewhat: but ammonia is lethal, and too rapid a salinity change can also kill.
 
I'm not arguing your point, just letting it be know that this particular company will Deny an Arrive Alive guarantee if you drip acclimate.

Snail come in an inflated plastic bag with wet paper towels. I assume he wants you to float, then remove paper towel, and dump them in. Just assuming though.
 
To me, the bigest myth about a cleanup crew is that you even need one. For us fowlr folks, we have been managing to maintain our systems without a clean up crew for years with large messy eating fish who poop a lot and who are fed generally much more food than typically seen in a reef system. I am exagerating to some degree in the sense that I do not quarel with the notion that inverts do, indeed, help keep a system clean and eliminate nuisance algae; however, my point is that their value and necessity in doing so is usually greatly overstated and one can keep a very clean system without them.
 
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I have to admit, I see a lot of people on here adding CUC before they even add fish, just after their fishless cycle. I am not sure why people do that when there is nothing for the CUC to really eat.
 
Can be slower, depending on degree. Osmotic shock does not improve health of any specimen: one already stressed from transport is already vulnerable.

I don't mean to argue with you, but I have never had appreciable losses in anything like this. Two months ago i got an assortment of various snails and hermits totaling 300 specimens. I count maybe five total that have perished in that time. All were just chucked in.

I also had the opportunity to talk with Anothony Calfo on the matter when he appeared at a local frag fest. He had much of the same things to say. With the exception of shrimp and stars, slow acclimation of inverts is overrated. He also went on to say that he believed a slow acclimation can sometimes be more detrimental to these animal's health, especially depending on the conditions in which they were received.
 
Thanks Sk8r for another great post. Keep them coming :) I believe that people are going down the wrong road with CUCs that has been ingrained in the industry for some reason. People just need to research more and not just do whatever is recommended by the LFS or people pushing the "Norm" CUC on them.

I'm not arguing your point, just letting it be know that this particular company will Deny an Arrive Alive guarantee if you drip acclimate.
That being said, how would they know that you did not do their terrible recommended acclimation?

And I agree with Sk8r on this one:

I prefer the intermediate rinse. And NOT adding the contents to the tank. Never-ever allow foreign water from a fish store into your tank.
 
That being said, how would they know that you did not do their terrible recommended acclimation?

They have a timestamp for when you received the package. If their policy is to have a picture emailed to them within an hour of receiving the package, that more or less eliminates a good drip acclimation right there.
 
Another great write up!

The reason to avoid harlequin shrimp is that they are obligate starfish feeders.

In addition to bristleworms, I consider my pods to be valuable members of my CUC. They are unsung heroes in my opinion. I try to avoid any pod predators with the exception of mandarins, my weakness.
 
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