Need Help IDing This Parasite...

Rea17

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Ok here we go...

I have scoured the internet trying to identify this parasite which I have personally experienced twice now, on a powder brown and powder blue. I am hoping some experts can chime in and shed some light on the subject for me.

These fish were both purchased years ago from the same LFS (possibly the source, if this thing was able to lie dormant), but kept separately by different hobbyists. They were both kept in established tanks and exhibited no symptoms of this parasite until they were moved and stressed. Neither hobbyist quarantined or treated the fish upon purchasing them.

The first fish, a powder blue tang, I got while doing a tank tear-down. I made the mistake of not quarantining this fish, since I figured he had been established for years and had never shown symptoms of anything. The day after introducing him he began showing signs of this mystery disease. At first they showed up as spots, but then these "spots" grew out and became stringy. I caught the fish and treated him immediately with PraziPro (since they appeared worm-like) and cupramine for good measure, separately. Once the fish completed treatment and was no longer showing signs I reintroduced him and BAM, there it was again. My heart fell, but I did what I felt I needed to do. I was unable to ID this back then, so I yanked all of my fish out of my display and let it sit fallow for 10 weeks just for good measure. The powder blue was the only fish showing symptoms, but I know that even fish that appear healthy can often be carrying nasty things. All fish responded well to treatment, powder blue appeared clean again, and I reintroduced everyone. To my dismay, the PB broke out in these stringy-spots again. I removed him and attempted to eradicate this thing with freshwater dips with methylene blue, praziquantel soaked food, nothing worked. Even my previous treatment methods stopped affecting the symptoms and the fish just got worse. Eventually the PB succumbed. I should add that I was guided through this ordeal by leebca. Everyone was stumped.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago... a friend of mine gets an Achilles tang and puts it through QT before adding it to her display. Once added, her powder brown gets very aggressive and has to be removed for a time-out while the Achilles gets his bearings. The AT and PB were relatively small fish (~4") in a 350g tank. Once on time-out in a fresh QT tank, the powder brown started to break out in the same stringy spots as my powder blue did almost a year ago.

Here are some pictures of both for your reference:









The powder blue is long gone, but there is still hope to save this powder brown. Does anyone have any experience with this? Have you hit the same dead ends? What is the best treatment method that you can recommend? Sorry to write a novel about this, but I felt some backstory may have been necessary. Thanks in advance for any replies
 
Certainly not an expert, but if prazi cleared it, can you dip again to clear, then place the fish back in a recently sterilized QT tank? Perhaps it was reinfected when you placed it back in the original tank.

The most similar thing I could find was Lymphocystis.
 
Thanks for your reply,

I don't think it is Lymph. That's a viral disease and generally clears up with good water quality and overall health. I should mention water quality in the tanks involved in this thread is excellent.

The powder brown is responding to Prazi, which has me hopeful. I didn't think to sterilize the QT between dips so you might have something there. I had hoped a 10 week fallow on my display would have been long enough for the powder blue, but either the pest survived in the fish during quarantine or it survived the fallow. Not being able to identify it, I wasn't sure how long of a fallow period I needed, so I opted for the longer the better. I've also heard of certain parasites being able to temporarily host in snails and they can make it through fallows that way, maybe that is what happened?

Anyway, I really appreciate any input on this. I think the powder brown is bouncing back but I really hate not knowing if he's getting better or the symptoms are just going away, like they did with the powder blue.
 
Hmm, looks vaguely reminiscent of FW anchor worm.

Have you tried formalin? That or permanganate were kinda the go-to treatments for FW fish. Complete shot in the dark, but could be a relative given appearance.

Have you tried to physically remove one of then with tweezers for closer examination?
 
I checked out anchor worms too, I've never seen them in person and in pictures it is hard to tell, but where they attach to the body of the fish looks much different. I really should have tried to remove them manually from the powder blue, but I'll admit I was squeamish about it. If I do a dip on the powder brown and get a good opportunity I will try it.

I have not tried formalin. I don't have any experience treating with it, but I am very willing to if you think that will be more effective. Are there any products in particular that you might recommend? I have read that it is very toxic and can be touchy, so it is best left as a last resort.
 
Formalin-MS is what I have used. If you research treating Brook in clownfish you can get an idea of the process. I would recommend Formalin as the last resort (nasty stuff), especially if the prazi seemed to clear it the first time until you better understand what this is exactly.
 
Ok cool, thanks. I just ordered some from amazon. I figure it will be a good thing to have in my fish-medicine cabinet even if I don't use it for this guy.
 
First off, I have no idea what the hell this is. But I agree with you that it does look worm-like, and Prazi would have been the first thing I would have tried. Is it possible this has a life cycle similar to Flukes, and requires two rounds to completely eradicate? Also, I would consider any DT these fish have been in to now be contaminated, and I think a fallow period would be wise.
 
I will be running two rounds just to be safe. My DT that had the powder blue has since undergone fallow (for this reason) and I have an Achilles tang in there now. I would expect him to be sick if this crap survived *knock on wood*

The powder brown is in my care right now, but I will forward that recommendation to my friend. She has some other sensitive fish that show no symptoms but I agree, it is probably wise to do it anyway.
 
Just another random thought... since formalin and anchor worms have been mentioned. The most effective treatment for anchor worms is dimilin. Not saying these are anchor worms... but if all else fails they might respond to dimilin since these do sorta seem "anchor worm" like.
 
Just an update,

The PB did well in PraziPro until day 5. He stopped eating and started swimming abnormally so I did a massive water change and took the medication down. (By abnormal I mean at a 45 degree angle facing the surface, difficulty maintaining equilibrium, pumping his pectoral fins hard trying to stay swimming.) After this water change I noticed what I suspected to be a fluke in his eye, it may have been there the whole time but it was small - this was the first time I had seen it. I decided to do a FW bath on him.

The PB did very well during the bath, although that one fluke in the eye wouldn't let go. I saw lots of other things come off of him, I can't say for sure if they were flukes or pieces of the worm-like parasites that were previously visible. They ranged in size from 1mm-5mm and were inconsistent in shape, very transparent, and very hard to see. Here he is during the bath:



After the bath I returned him to a QT tank, where he immediately started to swim normally again. That was yesterday...

Today I came to check on him and saw this, sorry for the crappy picture:



The edges of his pectoral fins are white and fraying. I don't see any of the unidentified worm-like parasites that were there before, and his other fins are in very good condition. I do still see that cloudy spot in his eye... The second round of Prazi is coming soon to take care of that. Any advice at this point? The fish is still not eating.
 
Unfortunately the fish didn't make it... I've since come across a few cases of this (parasite?) on the net and the fish involved are almost always powder blues or powder browns. Interesting to say the least... I'd love to know what this is.
 
I was intrigued because I had a similar parasite on my maroon clowns a while back. It started on one, after a couple weeks she got better with no treatment. Then the male got it but got better on its own after a week or so. I never figured it out and it never went to any of the other fish. I take it back about the treatment I think I did use metrodinazole a couple times but I cant say if it had any affect really.
 
Unfortunately the fish didn't make it... I've since come across a few cases of this (parasite?) on the net and the fish involved are almost always powder blues or powder browns. Interesting to say the least... I'd love to know what this is.

Have you sent your very good pics to anyone like Kevin Kohen, Bob Fenner, Frank Marini, etc? Or even directly to Quality Marine? They may know...
 
Have you sent your very good pics to anyone like Kevin Kohen, Bob Fenner, Frank Marini, etc? Or even directly to Quality Marine? They may know...

I haven't... I will have to look into getting ahold of someone like that.
 
I sent my crappy pics to fenner, he said ich. It definitely was not ich, but to his defense they were crappy pics.
 
Copper was the first thing I tried on both fish, and it seemed to work for a while. But eventually, in both cases, the "parasite" ended up coming back stronger than ever, even in full strength Cupramine. I struggled for months trying to cure that powder blue and eventually had to euthanize her. If I faced this again, I'd give CP a try.
 
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