New Achilles Tang

[breck]

Arrived 5 days ago from Coral Reef (sustainable aquatics store front).

Currently in my 75 gal QT by itself. Ate right away and has continued to do so. However, the end of day 1, it started to show signs of ich. But it went away by the next day. The Coral Reef said they never saw any ich.

Here is my thought. ..I have a hippo tang, which I've owned for over 3 years. He had ich early on in a 125. I placed him into a 75 and treated with copper and no more ich. I let the 125 go fallow for 90 days. He went back into the 125, then broke out with ich again briefly. I treated the 125 with copper again and all good. He hasn't had an outbreak since. 8 months ago, I lost 4 angels due to not QT a new goldflake, who brought velvet with it. The hippo was covered, and i thought a gonner...But he bounced right back. He is pretty tolerant and durable. Fast forward...i took down the 125, placed the hippo in the 75, set up a 300 and hippo is now in the 300. The AT is in the 75 now
Could the hippo (although showing no signs) still have ich, which the AT caught on day from being in the same water in the 75 as the hippo was in?

Anybow, the Achilles hasn't shown any other signs of ich. So far he really eats nori, pellets, mysis and spirulina. I havea jebao wp 20 in there with him as well. Do I treat and possibly cause issues, or not treat, but have an outbreak later? For now, I'm just feeding him often.

AlThe AT is an awesome fish so far.

Pics are a little blurry. I hate having to resize each 1 before i post it here. How do you guys post full size pics?

 

[breck]

https://youtu.be/H36wbwv7XSU

 

[CarrieB]

Was the 75 empty of fish for at least 72 consecutive days after the hippo tang was in it?


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[breck]

Was the 75 empty of fish for at least 72 consecutive days after the hippo tang was in it?


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No. Maybe i wasn't clear....sorry. the last time the hippo showed ich was close to 3 years ago. Since then, we moved, hippo went back into the 125. 5 weeks ago, i tore down the 125, to put a 300 in its place. I put the hippo in the 75 gal temporarily. The hippo was taken out and put into the 300, i kept the water and few pieces of live rock in the 75, knowing I'd be getting more fish soon. Then, 5 days ago i just added the achilles. I did this thinking the hippo has not shown any signs of ich in close to 3 years, so figured it was all good. Maybe the AT had ich all along, and it wasn't from the hippo. The AT was in the QT for 8-10hrs until i saw what looked like ich. Doesn't that seem quick if he got it from the previous fish housed in that tank? There. ...clear as mud

 

[CarrieB]

I guess you are trying to figure out whether you need leave your 300 fallow and TTM your hippo? I can see why that would be a bummer. Don't know how you are going to know for sure.


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[breck]

No, should i treat the AT, or leave it be? I don't want to do something to cause it to fail, if it isn't needed..then again, i don't want to NOT do something when i should have.

I dont plan on moving the hippo out of the 300, causing more stress, and it would have to go into the 75 with the AT.

 

[CarrieB]

Sounds like what you want to do is to observe the AT for a few weeks and see if the ich shows up again when it goes through its cycle, so you know for sure.


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[breck]

Correct. Just to be certain.

 

[breck]

1 week now.

https://youtu.be/INgTeh9bauU

 

[scuzy]

I'll say that the is high chance it'll get ich once in display. Since you never treated the hippo and it might of gotten immunity.


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[breck]

I'll say that the is high chance it'll get ich once in display. Since you never treated the hippo and it might of gotten immunity.


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Sorry, typing from phone, must not have been clear earlier.
I did treat the hippo last time he had ich,, actually the entire DT with copper.. .but, I'm not convinced the copper completely cured it, since I have done that before and he got ich later (even let tank go fallow for 90 days). But, i believe you're right, and the hippo probably does have a strong resistance to it now. When the tank had velvet, i left everyone in.

I would think the AT would break out by now, since it is in the same water as the hippo...But, I'll just wait and see.

 

[breck]

Well...i spoke too soon. This morning i saw the AT had a white covering. Looks like velvet to me. I started cupramine.

Question...does a tank with velvet need to be fallow like a tank with ich? Can a fish have velvet, yet show no signs or have it dormant like some ?

I'm glad he is still in the 75 and not the 300 though fpr treatment reasons.

 

[Shivsreef]

Well...i spoke too soon. This morning i saw the AT had a white covering. Looks like velvet to me. I started cupramine.

Question...does a tank with velvet need to be fallow like a tank with ich? Can a fish have velvet, yet show no signs or have it dormant like some ?

I'm glad he is still in the 75 and not the 300 though fpr treatment reasons.

From what I know fish can't develop an immunity to velvet like they can with Whitespot just because velvet can kill a tank in a few days but Whitespot can take weeks to kill a tank ... But I may be wrong, I guess a more experienced reefer can chime in on that but btw that's one beautiful specimen you've got there and I've got mine coming on Tuesday.


Also, you may want to freshwater dip the At so all the parasites fall off and then put him in copper so that way it takes less time for the tang to get rid of all of the parasites on its body

 

[Squidmotron]

I would treat the AT anyway even if you don't see more signs.

Try TTM.

 

[breck]

Thanks guys. Copper was started this am. Hopefully it helps. I'll try to get better pics.

 

[ca1ore]

IME, a QT tank should be a fresh setup for every new fish(es). That way, any disease presentation can be mostly assumed to have been there upon purchase. Since the AT is so sensitive to skin parasites, it can 'reveal' heretofore unknown problems in your display.

 

[Mr. Brooks]

Do you have formalin? A freshwater dip or a formalin dip will give the fish some relief.

 

[breck]

IME, a QT tank should be a fresh setup for every new fish(es). That way, any disease presentation can be mostly assumed to have been there upon purchase. Since the AT is so sensitive to skin parasites, it can 'reveal' heretofore unknown problems in your display.

that is something i will do from here on.

Do you have formalin? A freshwater dip or a formalin dip will give the fish some relief.

i dont. i hope the cupramine helps, and isn't too late.

the last disease my 125 DT had was velvet...wiped out everyone except the hippo and betta. I never really treated them, and they recovered. I also did not let the tank go fallow...Is that an accepted practice with velvet as it is with ich???? So, did the hippo never really remove itself of velvet from 8 months ago? then when the hippo was in the 75 for a month waiting for the 300 to go up, now in the 300...did the hippo leave velvet in the 75??? i left the water in the 75 from when the hippo was in...believing the hippo had a clean bill of health (hasn't shown any signs of anything since the velvet outbreak 8 months ago).

I'll see how the achilles looks when I get off of work. But it was night and day from yesterday.

frustrated.

I'll do what I need to, to make certain this does't happen again....at least what i can control.

 

[Mr. Brooks]

Cupramine won't do anything to kill the parasites that are on the fish. It only protects it from new infection. It needs to be in the recommended dosage for at least two weeks. If the infection is heavy, I would do a freshwater dip to kill some of the parasites that are already on the fish. I would also begin dosing an antibacterial like furan 2 to prevent secondary bacterial infection. Yes, you should run the tank fallow, just like ich.

 

[breck]

Sadly, the Achilles died. Sucks. Crazy how he can go from looking/acting great last night, to this in such a short amount of time.

I dont know if he brought the disease in, or it was dormant in my hippo and passed on from him.

https://youtu.be/INgTeh9bauU. This was him yesterday.

But, if it can lay dormant and was passed on from the hippo...I'll be removing the hippo and betta from the 300, putting them in the 75, and allowing the 300 to go fallow and treat the 75.

Thanks for the help.