New Black Velvet Angel
- Thread starter ezhoops
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Yes, do not treat unless there is a reason to treat.
lhm nole
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Absolutely
Couldn't agree more but now that the fish is in there I would remove the copper by doing very small water changes with water from your DT. This will reduce the concentration of copper in the water column and begin the process of acclimating the fish to its eventual home.
As for getting the fish to eat simply try a wide variety of foods until you find one it will eat. I'd also put some nori on a clip and leave it in the tank.
Mike
As for getting the fish to eat simply try a wide variety of foods until you find one it will eat. I'd also put some nori on a clip and leave it in the tank.
Mike
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Are you sure it's not Lymphocystis. Generally a single large white spot will be Lymphocystis. This is common for angelfish, especially with Black Velvet Angels. Copper will do nothing for Lymphocystis, it is a viral disease.
ezhoops
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Cupramine is a great treatment and I treat all my fish with it. Just make sure they are eatting well before treating
.This is very BAD advice and not something I would have expected to come from your fingertips compaired to all the great advice I always see you give.
You are actually telling the OP to not be proactive in his reefkeeping endevoirs. While angels are better treated with other meds or methods then copper, proactively treating is a very benificial for all of the livestock within that system. Just because you do not see anything now does not mean that that fish is not carrying something that will be passed along to it's new tank mates. I proactively treat all incomers for that very reason.
I started salt in 1995 and never proactively treated until 2009 when one fish brought something in and it killed everything. Now I proactively treat all newbies.
Hormigaquatica
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I understand where youre coming from, but very much disagree. Would you take antibiotics without knowing what disease you had- if any? Medications are often misused in aquariums, and can lead to resistant strains of various pathogens (from bacteria to ich), and can have adverse affects on the animal's immune system leading to greater problems down the line (think increased susceptibility to bacterial infections after prolonged exposure to copper).
I always suggest that people QT their fish and begin simply by observing the animal. If there are signs of a specific issue- target that problem. Most "general" cures are ineffective anyhow. The Only exception I make to that rule is the use of Prazi. Gut worms are a common problem with virtually all wild fish, and the treatment doesn't seem to endanger the fish in any way. I deworm every fish I get right away.
To the OP: throw in a polyfilter, or something similar, to remove the copper. As far as feeding goes, you may want to pick up some live clams/mussels at the grocery store, split them open, and toss one or two into the tank. It's a great way to get many finicky fish (esp angels and butterflies) to start eating. Just watch your water quality, as clam juice will foul it really quickly. You can try rubberbanding a strip of nori to a rock and putting it in the tank. If it's a smaller angel, try cutting the edge of the nori into a fine fringe so it wont have to work too hard to tear off a piece. If he has to put a lot of effort into eating, it'll probably just give up.
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I have to agree with Snorvich on this. I wouldn't treat any fish unless you have symptomatic evidence that there is a problem. The reason that we keep fish in a QT is so that we can observe them for symptoms of illness or infestation and treat as necessary. That's why it's so important to keep the fish in quarantine for such a long time. It gives time for symptoms to present so that treatment can begin. I wouldn't treat a healthy fish with copper for the same reason I wouldn't undergo chemotherapy unless I had cancer.
Proactively treating for intestinal worms with Prazipro is one thing. Treating an otherwise healthy fish with a solution containing a heavy metal is another.
Mike
Proactively treating for intestinal worms with Prazipro is one thing. Treating an otherwise healthy fish with a solution containing a heavy metal is another.
Mike
ezhoops
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Yes, I have other fish that have been in Qt with cupramine for 2 weeks now and Yes I agree it wasn't the best move to add another fish to the mix. However, I never intended it to go this way. I had this Black velvet on order for about 5 weeks and of course it comes in smack dab in the middle of my QT for ich.
I'm in a no win situation here; If I put the black Velvet into the Display tank its possible he could get ich (and not show immediate symptoms) and in the QT tank yes he is being treated with copper and seems to be handling it fine.
So its really 6 of one and a half dozen of the other
for the record, I always proactively treat with malachite green to be safe and especially if the collection habits are not known. I don't usually proactively treat with copper, but I believe treating proactively is a good habit.
I very much agree with this.
