New Deodronephthya sp. study group?

Also, I've been using vodka sparingly for the past few weeks, and I really haven't seen much difference in anything...I guess I'll just have to check my nitrates and phosphates. I was wondering the dosage amount you guys suggest of vodka...i've been using around 1ml to 100 gallons. [/B]

HI Siapin

This is good starting dose, but without measuring nitrates and phosphates I would not recommend ANY Vodka dosing. I suppose you have a skimmer, without one Vodka dosing will most likely not help you bringing down Nitrate and Phospate, there has to be a way to export the additional biomass.

Jens
 
I agree with Jens, check your levels and then dose...probiotic methods are very dangerous.

I am going to give a hybrid probiotic system a try on our new cube...but that wont be for about a year...I suppose that will allow this method to be researched more and fine tuned.

I'll have to dig up a post I found on the "other" forum about dendro's and zeo. I'd suggest searching there...crosslinking is a no no :)

Let us know how the reef roids work out.

eric&flint
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7461340#post7461340 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jens Kallmeyer
HI Ivan


if you are serious about determining soft coral species, get the book of Fabricius and Alderslate, this is and will be the "bible" for soft corals for many more years.



Jens

I found a book about soft corals by Fabricius, 2003, on Amazon, but could not find Alderslate. Same book?

Joe
 
HI Joe

Hmm, may be. I thought her soft coral book was published in 2001, so I am a bit surprised about the year, perhaps it's a second edition.
Check on Amazon for
"Katharina Fabricius"
There is only one author with that name, then you will find the book

Jens
 
Thanks to Graveyardworm for pushing me here....I made a pretty big mistake and purchased a Red/Orange Carnation Coral without really doing my homework first and now have come to learn its one of the toughest to keep. Im only a week into it, and it coils down during the day and stands straight up during the evenings. The thing that Im really worried about, is that I dont have a very complicated system. I have a 55 gallon tank, with a protein skimmer and strong lights...but no refugium or any excess filteration. Wish me luck!
 
I wanted to bring everybody up to date on what I have been doing. I became exhausted feeding these guys multiple times daily; having done this for years now, with limited results, I was getting discouraged.

I have begun to experiment with recycling in closed systems. I am using a high flow tank without a substrate or skimmer for the invertebrates, and a very slow flow sand bed tank for the nutrient recycling. This sand bed is intensely illuminated with T5 lighting 24 hours to keep the oxygen up. I also am adding silica sand or liquid silica to keep a slight diatom bloom in this tank. To the slow flow area I am adding thumbnail-sized pieces of Wonderbread. (I have used lots of other carbon sources with less success).

This very slow flow tank produces a very large amount of weakly motile infusoria. At this point, I have a dense cloud of ciliated protozoa that hugs the bottom. If the lights are turned out, they ascend into the water column at night, presumably as the oxygen falls.

This slow flow tank has plenty of diatoms and soft-bodied zooplankton. I think this is the way to go- no skimmer, an extremely slow flow intensely lit refugium, and controlled stimulation of microorganism blooms.

The white bread appears to be especially useful in this regard. The slow flow allows a very high local concentration of nutrients around the bread pieces, and you get these very nice explosions of microorganisms around them.

With a continuous bloom of diatoms on the front glass, as long as the overflow is extremely slow, scraping the diatoms daily allows them to remain suspended in the tank. The lack of a substrate I think helps prevent competitive feeding.

One other thing- regarding water flow. It seems to me, after watching these things for years, that dendros do best near the intake to a pump- or near the overflow. I don't think they like turbulence. So a very inexpensive setup would be to have a single specimen suspended near a pump intake.
I'm working on this sort of thing now.
 
I bought a strawberry dendro, so I'm in on the experiment. I have it in the center of my tank which is dimly lit. There is no sandbed. The flow is very strong and the entire tank flows like a letter "B" where both sides wrap around the tank and come through the middle. It is a 450 gallon tank and I feed extremely heavily several times a day. The food is a mixture of everything. So far its been several weeks and it looks good but who knows how long that will hold up. I'll keep regular reports.
 
Hi Charles

That sounds pretty intriguing. My latest trials go into the same directions, although in a high-flow refugium filled with macroalgae, especially Chaetomorpha. A lot of stuff gets trapped in the Algae and every evening I just squeeze them out a bit. The released stuff goes into the tank and the corals seem to like it, both non-photosynthetics and photosynthetics. Still I rely heavily on feeding additional stuff.
Perhaps I sneek a piece of toast into a corner of the fuge, or try it in a separate container with some water movement by an airlifter. Ciliates may be an interesting way to go, but most probably only for the very dedicated reefer...but who knows, perhaps one day we buy wonderbread at the LFS.
Regarding your thoughts about flow, I think that putting any coral right in front of a powerhead is asking for problems, in the reef you never have such a hard current like that. In my tank I have a Wavebox plus the 1800 gal/h return pump from the fuge, together that makes very strong but gentle water movement.
 
Jens,

I don't believe Charles meant to put the specimens in the outlet stream but rather near the intake which is definately very gentle and laminar flow.

I should think the area near a closed loop intake would be ideal granted you use a large enough grid to prevent the cuisinart effect.:p
 
Mary- you said your dendro. didnt like being moved at all, and would produce bail-outs when moved?

I find this interesting because i have a theory that dendros grow in the wild around a specific flow. To test this i fragged a dendro into 25 frags and placed them around my 100 gal. tank in various flows, some right side up, some hung, and some extending from an overhang.

naturally, some died. Out of 25 there are 7 frags remaining and growing, including the largest one, which is around 9" when expanded. The small frags all grew relatively perpendicular to the flow.

The tank is not lit, i have an 1800 gph pump, and a high flow fuge' w/ caulerpa.
 
flow is important. and seems to matter. But the size also seems to matter on how much they frag themselves after a move. Small ones seem to adapt better than larger ones.
 
Fish and Dendronepthya?

Fish and Dendronepthya?

Wow...what a thread!

It has taken about a week to digest this thread (including external links) and I of course have questions.

I did not recall anyone's thoughts on fish (and their importance) in a Dendro aquarium. I do recall a comment about dendros being found (wild) located near fish hatcheries or fish cages. This would imply that they are getting some benefit from being near well fed fish?
:fish2:

I would think that a reef aquarium with fish that require large amounts of food may be a good environment for Dendros. This is of course taking into consideration Dendros other requirements like high volume laminar flow.

The first species of fish that comes to mind is Anthias. Anthias are pigs. They require heavy feeding on zooplankton, flake, brine, etc. Most of the hobby books recommend feeding Anthias up to 3-4 times a day. This sort of feeding routine would seem to be the type environment that Dendros may enjoy.

Another interesting point about anthias is I have read that they may lose their color under intense lighting and some prefer deeper waters. Is this not also the same for Dendros?

Wouldn't the excess food not eaten by the Anthias generate floc/detritus for the Dendros?

It seems the goal with Dendros is to feed as much as possible. Would 3 times a day feeding for a school of Anthias plus some phytoplankton additions (automated nightly), sponge squeezings (for bacteria), detritus substrate stiring (automated), refugium food supply (constant), floc from the sump settling area (automated with a timed powerhead) and a golden pearls/ultra-pac/cylcopeeze/oyster egg cocktail (auto-dosed from an attached refrigerator) be enough?

Hmm? :hmm1:
 
hum
sounds good but I'm not so sure as t he more fish I get into the tank to feed, the less my dendro grows.

I think they need very small food and the left overs from most of what you mentioned would be to big for them to hold on to. I just blast my rock everyday with a turkey baster and they are happy.

The plus side to this method of feeding them is that I am not adding anything new to the tank that might add to the bioload.
 
Mary,
What fish do you have in your tank?

I also noticed that your pics at the begining of this thread (some time ago) do not show up. Do you have any updated pics of your Dendros and/or your full tank. I would love to see them. :)
 
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