New fish!

Chris, thanks, yeah I am a little excited about the rock beauty. I know they can be aggressive though, well see how it goes. I still want a doctorfish tang though.

Jason, it is definitely a queen. I know my angels (especially the holocanthus and pomocanthus) :)

Dan, so what are you getting today? Haha. Yeah, rock beauties are gorgeous, juvi and adult. I can't wait until he gets some orange and blue in his fins. I am just worried about aggression and was very surprised when I opened the box.

Brandon and Matthew, thanks! I'll definitely keep an update! Matthew, when are you getting your queen? :)

fender, yeah it sucks I didn't get the tang, but I can always get that later one. The rock beauty is pretty cool, gorgeous little fish. I hope I don't get jinxed, I've had enough bad luck!

kirkaz, yep definitely a queen! My favorite angel!

Nutom, thanks I love adult french angels! I will be starting treatment of prazipro and cupramine on sunday. I want them to be eating healthy first.

Rocky, yeah I have seen 6-8" brazilian queens at my LFS for $200. I have been tempted to get one and keep it with my brothers passer angel, but I love watching the juvis grow and transform.

yukon, thanks! No, I am not going the caribbean biotope, although I have thought about it. I have a brazillian dragon moray and red sea klunzinger wrasse in another QT tank. I also plan to add a trio of flame angels, eventually a pair of bannerfish, pair of bluethroat triggers, harlequin tusk and some tangs, of course I will be upgrading, but most fish will be purchased small. Doubt I will get all those fish before I upgrade.

regina, thank you!

HOBrien, thanks! Wow! a 3.5" male bluethroat! I wish I could find a pair that size! That would be perfect! I love getting little fish and watching them grow! Be sure to post pics of your new additions! Goodluck with the angels!

Salty, yep the guy in florida, after many emails and a long drawn out process, I finally got them, minus the tang, plus the beauty :)

dan, yeah the french is top dawg for now. I am scared to add the trio of flames to them when everyone is in the 210g. These angels are just too tiny! I may try a pair of bannerfish first, since they are docile.

Ok, well here is an update. I tried feeding the little guys an emerald entree mix (has many different types of foods, very good mix) and of all the angels, only the rock beauty showed interest! I thought they were finicky eaters and don't do well in captivity? My french seems to be top dog, but no aggression so far. If either the queen or mostly the beauty swim across the tank, he loves to follow, not chase, but follow, its pretty funny.

So what else should I try feeding them? I added garlic to the mix, also put in an algae sheet. I know baby angels eat mostly algae when young, sponges when older. I know I also need to give it time, I barely have had them 9 hours now! Hopefully they eat soon, and often, since baby fish should eat multiple feedings per day.
 
Well there is mysis in the emerald entree, I just fed them again. The beauty ate a piece or two, the other angels watched and I think they will learn from the beauty, shouldn't take long now. I just didn't think they would or should get only shrimp, since baby angels eat primarily algaes and only algaes.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14436929#post14436929 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Well there is mysis in the emerald entree, I just fed them again. The beauty ate a piece or two, the other angels watched and I think they will learn from the beauty, shouldn't take long now. I just didn't think they would or should get only shrimp, since baby angels eat primarily algaes and only algaes.
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At this point, just get them eating. If it takes feeding mysis 4 times a day for a couple days, that is a lot better than them getting nothing at all.
 
Yeah, that is the plan. They need to get used to the tank first. Unfortunately I am working all day/nite friday and all day/nite saturday. So I'll be able to feed them in the morning then not again until sunday. But after that, I can feed them as much as they want during the week! Hopefully the queen and french start eating. I am worried about the queen and here size, I hope the french isn't bullying her. I added prazipro tonight just because I am so scared of flukes etc. I will start copper on sunday if they are all eating.
 
Keep trying enriched mysis and throw some nls pellets in there as well. Soak in selcon/zoe or a little garlic. They all look healthy, hope they do well for you. They'll be an awesome looking trio down the road.
 
I will try just mysis tom, all my food is soaked in boyds vitachem and garlic. I have small NLS pellets, but didn't think theyd go after them just yet. I won't be stopping with just these trio of angels, all the more reason to upgrade :D
 
DamnPepShrimp, I have good news and bad news, first the bad news, the french you have is actually a grey angel. The easiest way to tell them apart is the color of the tail, grey angels have a yellow "C" while french angels have a yellow "O" or a complete circle, no clear, open edge.

The good news, rock beauty angels are easy to feed, and the smaller they are the more they take to prepared foods. the reason the I believe theyget a bad rep is because of collection techniques, first they don't handle quinaldine very well, and most are collected that way (there are a few collectors who don't use quinaldine, but it is a legal collecting drug and most use it) second they are more common deeper and they don't handle needling well, again most, but not all needle the fish instead of decompressing as it saves time which equals money. The thing about small rock beauties is they aren't that smart so they are easy to just net, and they live much shallower then adults, so yours my well be a perfect tank mate for years to come.
 
Philter, I know the frenchs have an O on their tail and the grays have a fork or C. This angels tail is a bit torn, and there is some yellow on the tail, making it a French. I wasn't 100% certain on this since the tail is torn and hard to tell. Didn't know if there is any other way to figure it out?

I copper because I don't want the chance of anything getting into the display.
 
It can sometimes be hard to differentiate blue and queens when they are so small. From your photo it would be hard to be conclusive. Certainly looks like a blue or queen. They looks great. Hope the QT goes well and they all do well.
 
I've spent a good amount of time studying angels and the differences of every aspect of them, since they are my favorite fish. The French angel has it's tail outlined in yellow, mine has that, but hard to tell from the pics. It's fins along with the queen are a little torn, but there is yellow on the tip of his tail, making it a French. As for the queen, they have bright blue bands in the shape of a C, the blues are more white and are straight, except at the ends where they curve back.

My display is fallow, won't add any fish or anything for that matter for 8 weeks. Every new fish will get 4 weeks of cupramine and prazipro. I know this still mean not keep ich out, but almost will for every other disease.
 
If the tail is damaged then you could be right, the other way to tell is in grey angels the stripe down the face goes through the lips to the chin, giving them sort of a ring around the lips and a yellow stripe, in french the yellow stripe stops at the lips and splits and goes around them giving them black lips. see if you could take a face on photo of the fish, also it is easy to tell a blue from a queen, even in tiny ones, if it is hard to tell it usually means it is a hybrid between the two. If you could post a photo of the queen I'll easily be able to tell which one it is, if I can't I would put money on the fish being a hybrid between the blue and queen.
 
Thanks for the face differences, that is what I was looking for! I knew there was another difference between them. Yes, the tail is torn but you can see some yellow in the tip of it, which would make it a French right? The fish is definitely a queen, but chances are it will have some blue in it's bloodlines. The dealer I got it from I mentioned about townsends, he said that the queen is from the keyes, they don't mix with blues there and are better then Brazilian ones....haha..... I wanted a Brazilian queen, which is why he made up that BS. But I couldn't complain with the price, well see how it goes when it grows up, hopefully it's not too yellow, guess il be sure to run a lot of actinics/whatever light combo brings out her colors better :)
 
I just looked at another pic I took, the French has a yellow line coming down to the lips, then making a diamond circle shape around them but not touching the lips. So it has black lips. I will post a pic tom, I'm on my phone now and can only email pics.
 
I don't know who your fish seller is, but the keyes if where queens and blues mix the most, the further south you go the more queens, less blues, the further north the more blues, the first fish I ever cought was a townsend in the tidepools in the keyes, and under bridges there are tons of hybrids, it isn't until you get way out on the reefs toward the south that the blues get less and less. That in no way means yours is a hybrid, but to have been told they aren't there isn't true.
 
I agree, that is what makes Brazilian queens gorgeous since they are true purebred queens. I've heard of blues as far up as NY! I'm guessing it'll have some blue in the bloodlines, well just have to wait and see. The guy isn't someone I deal with, my club was doing a GP so I jumped on the prices. Wish you could find Brazilian juvi queens. Thanks for your help.
 
There are lots of true queens from FL, and when you see one there is no mistaking it as a queen, and there is no difference between them and Brazilian ones, the problem is so many people sell hybrids as queens instead of hybrids that people think FL queens are not as bright. Not only is that not true, but it puts a bad rep on the collectors who know the difference, making their fish worth less because of perceptions. I know several collectors who only sell queens and they just label them as brazillian, do I agree, no but I don't blame them and I would take one of there fish without problem or concern. It isn't their falt and they are just trying to get the true value of the fish.
 
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