New ich treatment idea
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Oh, I did and there is no reliable information that pertains to marine biology. Lots with regards to humans, but I was already aware of those.
gone fishin
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I also use a vinagarette and basil dip on my fish. It helps them as well.:lol2:
There are many fool proof recognized treatments for ich and other parasites that I have no interest in unproven homeopathic remedies. Tank transfer is 100% effective and takes 12 days.
That plus Parmesan cheese is one of my favorites! :love1:
I've read thru some of the threads on ginger and it seems most have mixed results. Or ich "goes away" after using ginger, only to come back months later. To those who feel passionate about ich & ginger, I suggest experimenting with it on fish in a controlled environment. Say, a bare bottom rockless QT. Document everything with photos, showing you have an ich infected subject, use ginger and then monitor the fish's behavior for many months afterwards. That is the only way to gain some credibility and advance your theory. But just spewing how ginger cures ich, how it's a fact, etc. only hurts the promise of the treatment you are advocating.
I agree. Unfortunately we see many similar experiential claims in the human treatment world, and those rarely end up well. But you "pays your money, you make your choices" and live with them.
Don't forget the need for proper microscopic identification
Is there some website where you can point me on getting started? I'd really like to do some experiments on fish using CP, but I need to learn how to do proper microscopic identification.
Not aware of a website for such ID, but there might be one to be found via a judicious google search. I learned via textbooks (I highly recommend Noga's Fish Disease text) and hands on with some fish pathologists I used to work with.
Deinonych
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+1! :lolspin:
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wooden_reefer
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If you had cycled the medium for QT very well in advance, then in general there should never be ammonia in QT.
The only situation when ammonia could be a problem is when a drug that interferes with nitrification has to be added to the water. Even then, many drugs will not completely stop nitrification but may severely depress it. In such a situation, if the population of nitrification were 10-100 times more than needed when a drug was not used, then even with the drug there may still be enough bacterial activity.
I always cycle the medium for QT in advance to more than 10 times needed by the bioload. When you put in several ppm ammonia several times during the cycle, this will be the result.
The only situation when ammonia could be a problem is when a drug that interferes with nitrification has to be added to the water. Even then, many drugs will not completely stop nitrification but may severely depress it. In such a situation, if the population of nitrification were 10-100 times more than needed when a drug was not used, then even with the drug there may still be enough bacterial activity.
I always cycle the medium for QT in advance to more than 10 times needed by the bioload. When you put in several ppm ammonia several times during the cycle, this will be the result.
wooden_reefer
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Chloroquine is effective against ich not velvet.
If one is concerned only with ich, then CP can be an alternative.
Also, CP's impact on nitrification is more problemtic than copper, which has very little.
One weighs the greater potential toxicity of copper against its greater range of effectiveness, and easy of operation due to almost absence of effect on nitrification.
I believe ease of procedure is related to faith in adherence to it. I hate WC.
I QT for 12 weeks because it is easy to do, almost no extra work over keeping fish in DT.
Deinonych
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This is categorically false. CP is extremely effective against velvet, in concentrations as low as 5mg/L (with 10mg/L being the preferred concentration). There is no evidence that CP does has a measurable impact on the biofilter.
wooden_reefer
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May be I am outdated on the effect of CP on velvet. I just read from old books that CP is not effective against velvet. At least one author was very adament on this point. No personal experience.
Also, I have read contradicting info of CP's impact on nitrification. Some say it has impact; others say no.
I personally have some reservation on Copper, although I have always have good experience with it for decades, even with butterflies and angels. I know it is toxic in excess dose.
The use of Cu is a matter of attitude toward a potential problem that has so far has not been an issue for me.
I think I will experiement with CP as it is potentially less toxic to fish.
What about the impact of UV on CP? The concern of bacterial infection during eradication of ich is always important. I always use UV with straight non-chelated copper. I don't believe UV used in aquarium could alter straight metallic copper.
I always prefer a more comprehensive approach, as there are many potential diseases in a closed system.
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