New In-wall Project Begins

Fursphere said:
bigger is better, unless you've got short arms. :p

LOL, you only say this after we talked you into a bigger tank. :lol: :lol:

Doug - I do not think 30" is a stretch. Basically it means that under the general rule, 3" in the front of the tank and 3" in the back can't have light loving corals. Is that so bad? I actually find that 250W DE are fine for my 36" wide tank. I plan on putting T5 in front and behind though.

Go deeper if possible, you will NOT regret it. ;)
 
I laugh with every comment telling him to go bigger although that was my first reaction when I saw it was a 120 going in-wall with all that garage space. Rather than go bigger on the display which I understand your limitations if that is what looks good in the house - why not add a frag/growout tank to the system in the garage? You could put it on a separate feed pump coming out of the sump - I imagine that if you follow the for sale forum you could grab a non-display quality acrylic tank cheap for that setup. This would give your system more water volume and room for you to frag the great corals you will have.

Just my thoughts. Congrats on the new home and the plans for a great in-wall tank!
 
How high or low are you placing the loc-lines after the bulkheads on the bottom glass?
Have you thought about using the revolution attachments for the overhead returns?
Didn't see on the website what flow the 4-way could handle, what's the gph on the Sequence that you are planning to use?
Pecan - Not sure on the final height of the locline from the bottom of the tank. Part of it will depend on the sand depth and rock structure. I thought about the revolution attachments, but we are attempting to cut down on the amount of plumbing hanging in the tank. When I talked to Paul at OM, he said he hasn't been able to stop the 4-way with is Sequence Stingray pump so we should have tons of head room on our system.

Building the tank "into the wall" made me think of lots of thinks like "if it floods, its not only going to get the carpet wet, but its going to damage the drywall too". Overbuilding the setup was the only option, since saving the house from destruction was also a concern....
Fursphere - I couldn't agree with you more. We have never had water on the floor (knock on wood) and I'm not about to start now. Our current system has multiple interlocks and redundant features. The new system will be even simpler with greater redundancy and water capacity. Wet sheetrock is NO fun!

On your drawing with the 1/2" Sea-Swirl, you'll limit yourself to about 550 gph on the return, maybe go up to a 3/4" Sea-Swirl?
If I can come up with a 3/4 Sea-Swirl or 1" I'd be much happier! The 1/2" was a mistake, but I already have it on a closed loop with a MAG7. I may split the return between the Sea-Swirl and another locline if I have a static area.


Fliger - I agree that 30" wouldn't be that much of a push front to back. Especially since ~4-5" will be hidden by the wall. We are going to have VHOs in front and back which would allow for some flexibility with a 50/50 or AquaSun bulb if we needed a little more light in the back or front.
I'd LOVE to go bigger. My wife is convinced its a testosterone thing, but it's all about compromise. She is still convinced the 75g we already have would look just fine in the wall. Truth be told, my loving wife has been extremely supportive of this whole thing. "Honey let's build a new house and I was thinking we should reduce the garage space by 25%, put in an extra sink, extra window, extra wall, extra door, extra ventilation system, and oh yea - how would you feel about punching a big whole in the wall of our new living room?"

sde219 - I've been looking at a frag/grow out area also. I've already got a backup IceCap660 which would get some frags going and could add a single MH later. The big push right now is to get the main system setup and running. Somewhere we have to have enough money to do sprinklers, blinds, grass, and landscaping. All are good problems to have, but none are cheap!


Thanks everyone!
 
You GOTTA have a good wife (or husband, or nothing) in this hobby! My wife is a saint with her patience!!!!

The reason I stress width is it makes a HUGE difference in appearance, and IME - stress on the fish. It's not just left right left right all day. The depth gives them more areas to hide, with 30" you don't have to aquascape "the wall". When I went from 22" to 28" it's a huge difference. Now I'm at 36" and it's fantastic. But 30" is just as good. I doubt anyone who's ever had a tank 30" wide or more would argue.
 
Fliger said:
LOL, you only say this after we talked you into a bigger tank. :lol: :lol:
Go deeper if possible, you will NOT regret it. ;)

Fliger said:
The reason I stress width is it makes a HUGE difference in appearance, and IME - stress on the fish. It's not just left right left right all day. The depth gives them more areas to hide, with 30" you don't have to aquascape "the wall". When I went from 22" to 28" it's a huge difference. Now I'm at 36" and it's fantastic. But 30" is just as good. I doubt anyone who's ever had a tank 30" wide or more would argue.

Yup, Fliger is one of those responsible for talking me into a bigger tank. :D

And I totally agree with the fish being more healthly in the wider tank. Within a day or two of moving my fish from the 90 gallon to the 300 gallon is was amazing to see the behavior changes in them. More relaxed, easy going. They just cruise around the tank aimlessly now, rarely hiding anymore. :)

(completely opposite of the 90 gallon)
 
Originally posted by Fliger
The reason I stress width is it makes a HUGE difference in appearance, and IME - stress on the fish. It's not just left right left right all day. The depth gives them more areas to hide, with 30" you don't have to aquascape "the wall". When I went from 22" to 28" it's a huge difference. Now I'm at 36" and it's fantastic. But 30" is just as good. I doubt anyone who's ever had a tank 30" wide or more would argue.
We will definitely take another look at the depth. Finding a tank has proven more problematic than expected. The closest I've found one is in Utah on a special order from Lee Mar. We would have to drive over and get it (which we are willing to do). None of the local guys have anything setup with Lee Mar and they don't ship direct. One of the local Oceanic reps wants $1400 before shipping. I've heard good things about Glasscages.com, but was initially blown away by the $400 shipping. I think I need to look at them again.

Anyone have any other tank sources we should be looking at? I can't belive how much is costs to ship...
 
Moved some bulkheads and stretched the tank for two different views. The 30 is growing on my pretty quickly!

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Ah, the fun of tank sizing.

I started off planning for 48x24x24. That changed a few times and ended up at 72x30x30 for a number of reasons. After picking a tank builder, I talked it down to 72x30x27. At 27" was able to do eurobracing with 1" acrylic. Anything deeper would require 1.25", and the price jumps accordingly. My tank is being built as we speak and I should have a thread starting in the near future.

Doug, if you're not 100% set on glass, consider James at Envision Acrylics. He's been awesome to work with planning my tank and the quality is outstanding. Is Portland, OR within driving distance for you? If so, you'd save a bundle on shipping.
 
SilverMax - You're funny! Are you trying to get me divorced too?

Jeff - We are 100% against acrylic at this point. It would be SOO much easier, but with our limited access to the front, I don't wont to deal with scratching. I've read a number of good things about James. Portland is only about 8 hours from here. We just drove through there a few months ago on vacation.
 
I'm sure the wife and kids would love another road trip. Now if I could just find someone to build me a Starphire tank in Oregon. I've been looking at Glasscages again, but there is a lot of mixed feedback regarding their quality. I've talked to AquariumObsessed a couple of times too, but they have some interesting feedback by others.

In looking at the 30" tank, I think it would be better to have dual overflows with one in each corner.

-Doug
 
I see we almost have you talked into the 30" deep tank. Might consider going with a 3/4" Seaswirl. How much flow are you going to be running through your sump? Are you using both the SS and OM for your returns?
 
Fursphere said:
Thats exactly what I did, drove to Portland (Beaverton actually) to pick up my tank. :)

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:D

I'd love to do the same, but something tells me it wouldn't be cost effective. Per mapquest:

Total Est. Time: 49 hours, 46 minutes Total Est. Distance: 3249.29 miles

ONE WAY!!! :D:D:D
 
Curt,

The return scheme is still a little in the air. Here are a couple of the scenarios;

1. - Closed loop with Sequence 4200 and 4-way
- Sump return with (pump to be determined) through a 1" or 3/4" SeaSwirl

2. - Closed loop with Sequence 4200. Diverter before the 4-way for the 1/2" SeaSwirl.
- Sump return with (pump to be determined) through a pair of 3/4" locline.

I'm not planning on a huge amount of flow through the sump/refugium.

Doug
 
Would you consider using your current 75g or a smaller tank as your fug and placing it above your inwall and have it gravity fed into the display? Very easy to do and your pods won't get chewed up by a pump!!
 
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