there are folks who regularly test CP levels in quarantine systems showing that 400w MH and LEDs light has no affect on CP levels. they run the lights 8-12 hours a day over these systems. you can read more over on reef 2 reef's CP primer thread if interested.
hypo has similar issues with certain specimens not tolerating it well in my experience and anecdotally in what I've read on forums.Isn't hypo a more gentle, more effective, treatment?
And you don't have to worry about which fish are OK in CP?
Freshwater dip the clown. In the second to last picture there it looks like flukes to me. Scratching on the chin of the chalk bass would lead me to believe fluke too.
Yeah so I woke up this morning to the clown almost listless, struggling to swim. Thinking I was dealing with brook, I added 60 mg / gallon CP and just prayed because I had to get to work and hoped he'd be alive when I got home.
So the fish is alive, swimming maybe slightly better, but the pimples are now all over the fish, plus some kind of look a little greenish if I use a flashlight for closer inspection. I dont have any formalin but I do have Paraguard so Ill dip him in that for an hour. I have yet to do a freshwater dip bc its such a chore getting the pH correct. I have that stupid Proper pH 8.2 that doesnt work and battled adding a bit more/less until I just gave up and bought the Paraguard at the local store.
So does CP not get rid of flukes? I figured it would be fine if its on the outside of the fish. What about Prazipro? Doesn't that treat flukes?
As for the chalk bass thats flashing on the tube, before I started the treatment with CP 7+ days ago, I did two rounds of Prazipro, so I figured that got rid of any fluke / stringy poop issues. How quickly does Prazipro expire? Mine was purchased a while ago but the expiration date says best by 2019.
+1 ^ Aerate the tank as much as you can... most fish die in Prazipro because of suffocation. PP drops O2 significantly
It also suppresses their appetite - which is odd that it is used right after receiving them into a QT...
I have heard this like everyone else but am yet to see a fish not eat because of PP. If a fish has flukes it's almost certain to not eat, then die shortly there after. I would imagine fish stop eating because of lack of O2 and not that it actually suppresses appetite. For the record this is why I formalin dip new arrivals to kill any flukes that may be present. I always follow up with 2 rounds of PP, after a week of settling in
What does PP do that Formalin doesn't...?
Nothing that I'm aware of but with formalin they are only in it for 40-60 mins tops, not days on end. Both deplete O2 levels, that's for sure
I have heard this like everyone else but am yet to see a fish not eat because of PP. If a fish has flukes it's almost certain to not eat, then die shortly there after. I would imagine fish stop eating because of lack of O2 and not that it actually suppresses appetite. For the record this is why I formalin dip new arrivals to kill any flukes that may be present. I always follow up with 2 rounds of PP, after a week of settling in
According to the directions on FishVet's Formalin MS:
Dosing Instructions:
Use 2 drops per gallon of aquarium water every other day until control is achieved. 1 teaspoon treats 90 gallons, 1 oz. treats 500 gallons. Remove carbon during treatment. After treatment complete, perform a 25% water change and replace carbon filtration.
To Use as A Dip:
Use 20 drops per gallon and treat fish for a maximum of 50 minutes. Remove from dip sooner if fish shows signs of stress.
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I'm seeing this now with the clownfish, didnt eat anything today but whatever spots were on it are starting to go away. So I guess the Prazipro is working but no way to say whats causing the fish not to eat. Hopefully a few days without food wont do him in.
The chalk bass is still flashing even in the Prazipro, so is it common for flukes to be resistant or take a while to die off? Its just been 24 hours at this point. I cant think of anything that would be able to survive dual CP and Prazipro, though I will redose the CP when I need to change the water again.
+1, it's a very harsh drug and while some folks use in systems it needs to be handled very carefully as well making dips of much more interest and a better use case.I don't know anyone who uses formalin not as a dip. Guess I'm not sure of what your question is?? PP and formalin both treat flukes, formalin will also help with other diseases unlike PP