New Life Spectrum Ick Shield
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Dmorty217
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+1 since reading this a few months back I stopped Turing my lights off and haven't noticed any negative effects from it.
I had a purple tang and pink margin fairy wrasse in CP (ich shield bath) treatment. Unfortunately, the fairy wrasse passed away after 2-3 days. The fairy wrasse wasn't showing any signs of parasites, but the purple tang was and I had them in QT together, so treated them together. The purple tang is still doing fine with no issues. The fairy wrasse wasn't showing any issues until he passed.
I've read that flasher wrasses don't do well in CP - is this also true for fairy wrasses, I'm guessing? Is there a list of fishes that don't do well in treatment?
Bob
I've read that flasher wrasses don't do well in CP - is this also true for fairy wrasses, I'm guessing? Is there a list of fishes that don't do well in treatment?
Bob
Hrmm - interesting. I'd be interested to hear how yours do.
I used 1 scoop of Ich Shield for the treatment. However, I got a jewlery scale this weekend and measured the scoop and it was 0.9g (the instructions recommend 0.6g per 20g). I know that some people dose at a higher rate, but I was trying to follow the product instructions for my first time using it.
Are there other known fish to have issues in CP, besides the flasher wrasse? Is there a list with "safe", "caution", "not safe" and "unknown" somewhere? Seems something like this might be beneficial.
Bob
I used 1 scoop of Ich Shield for the treatment. However, I got a jewlery scale this weekend and measured the scoop and it was 0.9g (the instructions recommend 0.6g per 20g). I know that some people dose at a higher rate, but I was trying to follow the product instructions for my first time using it.
Are there other known fish to have issues in CP, besides the flasher wrasse? Is there a list with "safe", "caution", "not safe" and "unknown" somewhere? Seems something like this might be beneficial.
Bob
hypo has similar issues with certain specimens not tolerating it well in my experience and anecdotally in what I've read on forums.
additionally, there are strains of ich that are hyposalinity resistant. it also does nothing for MV which is becoming more prevalent at the LA wholesalers it seems with more and more shipments being received at the LFS with MV. it is also can be difficult to maintain proper salinity levels without an ATO which most folks don't use on qt set ups.
lots of ways to get the job done each with some pluses and drawbacks one needs to be mindful of as we try to do our best to care for our animals.
I'm quite certain I was dealing with Marine Velvet, not ich. I accidentally contaminated my QT tank and a week later the first signs showed up on my tang - I added CP very quickly as my DT fish died within 24hrs of showing symptoms.
The purple tang is looking healthy and parasite free in the QT, but the fairy wrasse didn't make it.
Bob
The purple tang is looking healthy and parasite free in the QT, but the fairy wrasse didn't make it.
Bob
Yeah so I woke up this morning to the clown almost listless, struggling to swim. Thinking I was dealing with brook, I added 60 mg / gallon CP and just prayed because I had to get to work and hoped he'd be alive when I got home.
So the fish is alive, swimming maybe slightly better, but the pimples are now all over the fish, plus some kind of look a little greenish if I use a flashlight for closer inspection. I dont have any formalin but I do have Paraguard so Ill dip him in that for an hour. I have yet to do a freshwater dip bc its such a chore getting the pH correct. I have that stupid Proper pH 8.2 that doesnt work and battled adding a bit more/less until I just gave up and bought the Paraguard at the local store.
So does CP not get rid of flukes? I figured it would be fine if its on the outside of the fish. What about Prazipro? Doesn't that treat flukes?
As for the chalk bass thats flashing on the tube, before I started the treatment with CP 7+ days ago, I did two rounds of Prazipro, so I figured that got rid of any fluke / stringy poop issues. How quickly does Prazipro expire? Mine was purchased a while ago but the expiration date says best by 2019.
Ok so I dipped the clownfish for 15 min in Paraguard bath. The fish could only do 15 min because it kept swimming up to the surface and I thought it couldnt breath. In the water after the bath there was stuff floating so I'm sure that some of the flukes came off, but I still dont think I got all of them on the fish. So I added Prazipro to the QT tank, which now has 60 mg / gallon CP and 2 mL Prazipro (tank volume = 8 gallon).
Since the chalk bass still flashes I added Prazipro back into that tank (3.7 mL into 15 gallon).
Both tanks have powerheads with bubbles and HOB filters to keep everything nice and aerated.
Salty150
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It also suppresses their appetite - which is odd that it is used right after receiving them into a QT...
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
I have heard this like everyone else but am yet to see a fish not eat because of PP. If a fish has flukes it's almost certain to not eat, then die shortly there after. I would imagine fish stop eating because of lack of O2 and not that it actually suppresses appetite. For the record this is why I formalin dip new arrivals to kill any flukes that may be present. I always follow up with 2 rounds of PP, after a week of settling in
Salty150
New member
What does PP do that Formalin doesn't...?
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
Nothing that I'm aware of but with formalin they are only in it for 40-60 mins tops, not days on end. Both deplete O2 levels, that's for sure
Salty150
New member
According to the directions on FishVet's Formalin MS:
Dosing Instructions:
Use 2 drops per gallon of aquarium water every other day until control is achieved. 1 teaspoon treats 90 gallons, 1 oz. treats 500 gallons. Remove carbon during treatment. After treatment complete, perform a 25% water change and replace carbon filtration.
To Use as A Dip:
Use 20 drops per gallon and treat fish for a maximum of 50 minutes. Remove from dip sooner if fish shows signs of stress.
I'm seeing this now with the clownfish, didnt eat anything today but whatever spots were on it are starting to go away. So I guess the Prazipro is working but no way to say whats causing the fish not to eat. Hopefully a few days without food wont do him in.
The chalk bass is still flashing even in the Prazipro, so is it common for flukes to be resistant or take a while to die off? Its just been 24 hours at this point. I cant think of anything that would be able to survive dual CP and Prazipro, though I will redose the CP when I need to change the water again.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
According to the directions on FishVet's Formalin MS:
Dosing Instructions:
Use 2 drops per gallon of aquarium water every other day until control is achieved. 1 teaspoon treats 90 gallons, 1 oz. treats 500 gallons. Remove carbon during treatment. After treatment complete, perform a 25% water change and replace carbon filtration.
To Use as A Dip:
Use 20 drops per gallon and treat fish for a maximum of 50 minutes. Remove from dip sooner if fish shows signs of stress.
I don't know anyone who uses formalin not as a dip. Guess I'm not sure of what your question is?? PP and formalin both treat flukes, formalin will also help with other diseases unlike PP
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
When you found the clownfish listless yesterday I can't imagine it was eating then either? It's the flukes causing the fish to not eat, not the PP. I would dip the chalk bass and clown again if you think they still have flukes even after the PP. And yes there are PP resistant flukes.
+1, it's a very harsh drug and while some folks use in systems it needs to be handled very carefully as well making dips of much more interest and a better use case.
