NEW plumbing method for an ULTRA QUIET REEF TANK!!!! LONG !!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7250489#post7250489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drk70
Thanks, I will try that. I already run a tube out from under my tank/sump area and up the back of my tank to get some fresh air instead of that same warm air that is in my cabinet. The only thing is is just extends the whistle noise to the back of my tank. :)
Hey Dennis, take a look here
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7255061#post7255061
for pictures of the AquaC muffler. I put it in the AquaC "club" thread since it is way OT here...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7254981#post7254981 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by subzero420
However though if you want your tank silent your overflow level has to be very high up with basically no water falling. So it wont take much water overflow your tank. jacmyoung is right though if you have tested it that your pump will run dry in the event of a clog great, just hope that you notice or are home so that you dont burn out your pump.

This system is great, but without an emergency I dont think its worth it.

Are you saying my system is not worth it? BTW to think the pump can easily run dry before you can rush home to correct it is another imaginary speculation. I have intentionally tried not to adjust the valve when there seemed to be some change in water level in the pump chamber and it usually took a week or so to have the water level dropped low enough, and even then somehow the system managed to self-correct for some reason unknown to me.

All I am saying is if you are not running this system without an emergency drain, then all your perceived risks are just that--perceived ones, without actual observation to support them. As such you can not claim that your speculation is worth more than mine--actual observations.

I am certainly not saying everyone should start using this system without an emergency drain. If your comfort level does not allow you to do so, by all means don't do it unless you can implement a second drain, just don't go around telling everyone else they are going to flood the tank without one.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7256880#post7256880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jacmyoung
Are you saying my system is not worth it? BTW to think the pump can easily run dry before you can rush home to correct it is another imaginary speculation. I have intentionally tried not to adjust the valve when there seemed to be some change in water level in the pump chamber and it usually took a week or so to have the water level dropped low enough, and even then somehow the system managed to self-correct for some reason unknown to me.

All I am saying is if you are not running this system without an emergency drain, then all your perceived risks are just that--perceived ones, without actual observation to support them. As such you can not claim that your speculation is worth more than mine--actual observations.

Alright, calm down

I'm not saying your plumbing isnt worth it, I'm simply saying if your at work and your gone for 8 hours and your pumps running dry, you've got problems.

Further is that most people have an autotop off system and if your pump runs dry and the auto topoff kicks in then what, you've got a flood!

All I'm saying is this really isnt the best way to do it, if you dont think you need an emergency fine, but know what could happen.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7256911#post7256911 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by subzero420
Alright, calm down

I'm not saying your plumbing isnt worth it, I'm simply saying if your at work and your gone for 8 hours and your pumps running dry, you've got problems.

Further is that most people have an autotop off system and if your pump runs dry and the auto topoff kicks in then what, you've got a flood!

All I'm saying is this really isnt the best way to do it, if you dont think you need an emergency fine, but know what could happen.

You have a good point, with an auto topoff system you do need the second drain to keep the sump level steady. I do manual topoff.
 
Don't make me read through the 5+ pages of replies, but won't an air valve screwed into the top of the standard durso regulate the amount of air entering the overflow, and adjust the water level in the overflow box? You just dial in your water level.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7257218#post7257218 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Cord
Don't make me read through the 5+ pages of replies, but won't an air valve screwed into the top of the standard durso regulate the amount of air entering the overflow, and adjust the water level in the overflow box? You just dial in your water level.

yes but is some systems thet is still quite noisy. since my drain was falling 8+ feet tothe basement it was sucking air through the durso and was really loud.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7257218#post7257218 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Cord
Don't make me read through the 5+ pages of replies, but won't an air valve screwed into the top of the standard durso regulate the amount of air entering the overflow, and adjust the water level in the overflow box? You just dial in your water level.
It's worth the read.
This eliminates any airflow from entering.
Air = Noise
Noise = Bad
Herbie = Genius
 
Another benefit - the drains do not produce any bubbles in the sump. So you can get higher flow rate through the sump without worry of microbubbles. Also there is much less salt spray in the sump area (mess) since the drain water isn't producing tons of bubbles.
 
Hey all.............

I just noticed that this thread is is up for POST OF THE MONTH !!!

Thats cool.........I finally feel like it was worth all the trouble, and naysayers grief I had to deal with to post it. It was just my intent to be able to help.......even a few people........who have tried everything else to quiet down there tanks.......LIKE ME! All can say to the "naysyaers", is dont knock it untill you try it. It may not work for everybody, but at least we can see it works WELL for a LOT of people!

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=831439

Just to be considered for post of the month is worth it !!!
RC will make it a sticky if it wins !!!!

If this post has helped you quiet down your tank so you could keep your sanity.........nows the time to vote!!!

THANKS ALL who have participated in this thread !!!

Later.............Herbie

Just making my 100th post worthwhile !!!!!
 
...and my vote too! Let's hope you win! This is really the best overflow/return method around!

-Nathan
 
Added my vote also.

I just want to expand a bit on the "no emergency drain" concept to see if the below makes sense to anyone:

As I noted earlier, if one designed the sump properly, and have a properly screened drain intake, the only concern you may have with this method (minus the emergency drain) will be the prospect of your return pump running dry due to slow clogging, therefore cause demage to the pump and the livestock.

When I experimented with my system by not making any adjustment, waiting for the slight clogging to do its damage, I never let it reach the point of the return pump running dry, but it usually took a week for the water to drop very low in the pump chamber to be close to the pump intake. Which means I would have enough time to correct any clogging problem.

Now what if I let the water continue to drop so the pump start to suck air? How soon should we expect the pump to run dry, get demaged, or to see livestock in the tank dropping like flies?

Well not anytime soon, certainly will be much longer than a week, because once the pump starts to suck in air, the flow rate drops, and so the system self-adjust to balance out the slower flow rate in the drain (due to minor clogging). We all know that pumps sucking some air will do no harm since skimmers use pumps to inject air all the time, and as long as there is water pumped through at the same time.

What you will notice is air bubbles begin to show up in the display tank from the return nozzle. So the question is really how long does it take for a reefer to do something about it when he starts to notice the air in the main tank, assume he totally missed the water level change in the sump for the last week.

Or the question should really be, if he still manages to allow the pump to run dry after all this time, is he really qualified to keep a reef tank in the first place?

Of course if an auto top-off is used in the sump this will not work.
 
Thanks for the help guys.............and some votes!

dandy7200............... " Herbie = Genius".............O.K.........thats a little over the top! HARDLY........but thanks for the compliment.........
Did you ever get that overflow going, or get some pictures so we can figure out whats going on?

jacmyoung ..........Interesting.........
I have had this happen to me a few times when I was in the first stages of planning this overflow mod. I didnt have enough water in the sump and before the water overflowed the tank.........the pump would start to run dry. I 'thought".........hmmmm, that would work too. I think its a comfort factor here though............I dont think I would feel 100% confident about my tank, if I was away for a few days,week or more. Most people keep "everything" in there sump........including a heater...etc.If the flow slowed considerably, or stopped,the outcome "could" be disaster.Even if there was no flood. I also notice that the water level in the sump has a DIRECT impact on the water level "set point" in the overflow. I am not sure if you could maintain the proper water level in the overflow if the sump is constantly changing. Unless the sump had a divided chamber in it where the return water from the overflow drained into, at a constant level.
I think that "most" people running a reef tank these days also employ some sort of top off setup as well. It helps me keep my sump at an exact water level, which keeps my overflow level at an exact level.........besides dosing kalk.
Thats great if it works for you.........if you only have one bulkhead or return to your sump, there is not much you can do. At least your tank is quiet and you feel comfortable it wont flood.........thats what its all about. If you feel 100% that it wont flood..........then go with it. Good idea..........
Personally, I wouldnt feel 100% confident , with out having the saftey of that emergency bulkhead/drain sitting there "just in case" ..........mine rarely/never runs water. Buts its THERE.........thats whats giving me peace of mind.
Later............Herbie
 
Herbie, believe me I was as fearful as most people when I went with this no-second-drain route, but I had no easy way to add another drain and the noise was killing me.

Keep in mind the several conditions I stated to make this work, including not having an auto topoff system.

I only felt compelled to dispel some of the fear when several people spoke in authoritative tone of some outcome (flooded tank, burnt pump...) they knew with absolute certainty would occur, despite the fact they never cared to experiment, nor witnessed nor heard such outcome ever had occurred. That's all. No one should jump on this no-second-drain system if they don't feel comfortable with it.
 
jacmyoung,
I am with you on this.........
I have tried it, so I can say it will work.
I was just trying to point out that "some" people may not feel completely comfortable with out the "emergency" second drain.
Kudos ......on coming up with a solution to your problem. This may work fine for the people whom have NO way to add the second emergency drain. Good job, at least your tank is quiet!
Later.............Herbie
 
OK Im confused. I realy need to try this but I dont get it. Is it just a standpipe without the top air hole in it? can someone post step by step instructions with pictures? (im a visual person :D )
 
Back
Top