New Seahorses

your gonna need a bigger tank

What's the reasoning behind it? They are fairly small fish and won't get any bigger than what they are currently. Plus they appear to be happy in the tank. If it's based on cleaning the tank I don't have an issue of doing more frequent water changes. Just want to know the justification behind it.
 
seahorses are messy eaters hence you need bigger tanks and good skimmers . if a pair of 6 inch erectus take a minimum 30g tank then it stands to reason a pair of 3 inch seahorses would need about 15g thats why Rayjay had this to say"If the fluval is 14g or more, it should be OK for that pair"
 
seahorses are messy eaters hence you need bigger tanks and good skimmers . if a pair of 6 inch erectus take a minimum 30g tank then it stands to reason a pair of 3 inch seahorses would need about 15g thats why Rayjay had this to say"If the fluval is 14g or more, it should be OK for that pair"

Fair enough. not sure about a skimmer but I do have a tunze 9002 that hasn't been working so well on my biocube. I will look around then before I get lighting for the tank.
 
First, there is no need for special lighting except for what other life forms you have in the tank as seahorses have no real need beyond ambient lighting.
The reason for minimum tank sizes arises from problems specific to seahorses.
In addition to falling victim to pathogens from other seahorses/pipefish that have not been bred and raised in the same breeding facility, they are VERY prone to being affected by nasty bacteria like vibriosis which is always present in the tanks. The bacteria multiply rapidly as they need only food, and, as temperatures rise, they multiply exponentially with each rising degree.
We attempt to keep temperatures of the tanks between 68° and 74° to limit the rate of growth of the bacteria, and we attempt to also limit the concentration of food for the bacteria to feed on.
The biggest sources of food for bacteria in seahorse tanks are from uneaten food due to seahorses being selective about the pieces they eat, leaving "inferior" looking pieces to rot and decay if not removed regularly.
Also, when they snick the food, they masticate the food and particulate matter is expelled through the gills into the water, again producing food for bacteria.
By having larger water volumes, the tank is more forgiving so it allows you to keep on top of husbandry more to lessen the chances of problems.
Many have problems even with using required tank sizes because we tend to get lazy when every thing is going good, and not realizing the problem is unseen but building up during a lazy stage, until all of a sudden, something like tail rot, or flesh erosion happens.
Keeping them in a tank that is probably less than half of what it should be means houskeeping is going to have to be VERY EXCEPTIONAL with no LAZY stages. It can be done, but not everybody has the fortitude to stick at it for the long term to be successful.
 
Would it be a bad idea to add them to my reef tank? I have an mp10 in there for flow and lots of SPS to grab ahold of. 2 helfenrich fire fish and a mandarin goby. Tons of pods for their liking but was worried about the flow more than anything. here are some pictures of that tank. Much more stable than a small little edge too.

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not such a good idea mainly because of the higher temps you most likely keep the reef at. will make them more susceptible to diseases . the fish them selves are not the worst to keep with horses although with smaller horses they may out compete them for food. j.m.o
 
not such a good idea mainly because of the higher temps you most likely keep the reef at. will make them more susceptible to diseases . the fish them selves are not the worst to keep with horses although with smaller horses they may out compete them for food. j.m.o

Makes sense. I am getting more worried now about them and I'm leaving out of town for 4 days in just over a week. I have someone that will be watching my tanks and house like always but I was hoping to get them settled in before I leave for my trip. I think the temp and flow is going to be too much based on the feedback I was given on seahorse.org as well.
 
If you put them in the reef tank you will have more to worry about than just the heat.
The seahorses may also be stressed out by the faster movements of the tank mates it would have, and, may fall victim to pathogens the other fish carry that the seahorses haven't been exposed to before.
I think it best to leave them in the 6g for now and do large water changes frequently. Maybe you could get a larger tank before you go and transfer everything over.
Show the fish sitter how to do the water changes just before you go so it can be changed half way through your absence and then do another change when you get back.
I would have the sitter go light on the food to lessen the chance of a foul up.
Smaller feedings more times a day work best.
Show them too, how to remove uneaten accumulated food/detritus.
Seahorses can have areas of low, medium, and high flow, as long as there are hitches available in each area so they can choose what they want. They can handle high flow as long as it can't blast them against the tank or decor/rockwork.
Any stinging corals are bad tankmates.
I've seen postings about people hooking seahorse tanks inline with sps tanks and the sps tanks ended up with problems because many sps require very clean water and seahorse tank water is anything but. It apparently doesn't affect all sps but I can't tell you which do and don't.
 
glad I asked then about the reef tank. Sounds like even a 15 gallon would be fine for these two then. I might get a column tank in the next few days. I will just do a larger water change in my main tank to jump start the cycle so it is less stress on the seahorses. I have a tunze 9002 I can throw on the seahorse tank when I get it as well. If they don't require any special lighting I might just get the tank for now and add leds later. I just like the looks of leds. Also if I don't run a heater and my room temp only gets to 66 or so it sounds like that would new good for them. I would imagine the tank water temp would be closer to 68

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my tank is in a air conditioned room . temp is find during the summer its the winter i have to se a fan for.
 
my tank is in a air conditioned room . temp is find during the summer its the winter i have to se a fan for.

And no heater right? I have central air conditioning and keep my temp around 71 all year long

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i have a heater in my sump on a controller set at 68 but its most likely not needed i just happened to have the equipment.
 
Make sure any heater you may use has protection just in case it comes on and a seahorse decides to curl around it.
Also, Make sure any power head has protection on the intake to prevent sucking the seahorse against it.
Room temperature of 71° would be fine as LED lighting when you get it, will not put the temperature above the recommended 74°.
 
So next question is a 10-15 gallon adequate enough for them? my wife really likes the look of the edge we have and I was thinking of just getting the 12 gallon version of it. Also figured once they start to breed I can use the other edge for the fry maybe? I don't know much about these animals but what I saw the other day makes me think that the female was dropping eggs into the males pouch.

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IMO, 12 is still pushing things and will require more husbandry than normal. I'd rather see 15g minimum myself.
Another worry would be that IF they are NOT H. fisheri, and they grow larger than the 3" then you will have to upgrade again because of the size.
I'd do some research about the "edge" to see how many people have had problems with doing salt water tanks with them and find out if the gas exchange is sufficient to keep the pH in proper range, especially in weather where the house is all shut up for heating or cooling.
 
I'm trying to find a tank that my wife will be ok with for the time being. I'm thinking this one might fit the bill. I wasn't expecting to spend extra money at the current moment and were heading out on an expensive vacation in a week. I need to build a stand for it but I think this would be the best option for even a longer term for them. It gives them the height as well as a larger body of water. I will likely change out the lighting on it but it comes with a T5 setup so who knows. I haven't bought it yet but was hoping for some suggestions on this one as well.

http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11390248
 
is there a way to put a skimmer on the back? interesting tank though.

Not sure. I would imagine that I could place it in the rear area where the filter and the heater would go. Based on the feedback from you guys I don't see why I would need a heater and I plan on adding a canister filter at some point for filtration . I just don't have room for a tank with a sump right now.
 
maybe I can do a small little sump like a 10 gallon on it to hold the skimmer and keep the lines of the tank clean with no skimmer installed. I think I'm going to pull the trigger on this tank tomorrow and if I don't like it I can always take it back.
 
I'm trying to find a tank that my wife will be ok with for the time being. I'm thinking this one might fit the bill. I wasn't expecting to spend extra money at the current moment and were heading out on an expensive vacation in a week. I need to build a stand for it but I think this would be the best option for even a longer term for them. It gives them the height as well as a larger body of water. I will likely change out the lighting on it but it comes with a T5 setup so who knows. I haven't bought it yet but was hoping for some suggestions on this one as well.

http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11390248
I hope you have long arms.
As seahorse tanks need a lot of cleaning, you may get discouraged at cleaning with that depth.
 
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