New Tank Owners from Bear

OFT you may want to consider buying online from That Pet Place or many other sources if transportation and time are a problem.

I've ordered from them many times over the last 4 years and have never had a problem. Plus the shipment arrives ALWAYS within 2-3 days.

This will allow you to get the exact product you want for a reasonable cost, even with the shipping charges included.

MarineDepot is another great source that I've ordered from as well who are equally reliable.

The Marinedepot web site is another great source for product information as well as tips on animal care. It's well worth a visit.


Good luck with the skimmer.
 
Thanks, but given the tank issues we needed it ASAP and could not get anywhere far :( We will take road trips to other places soon!!

The skimmer produced bubbles all night and we now have "gunk" in the collection bucket. However....still bubbles.....

We are going to let it ride and hope for the best. Any other suggestions???
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7059397#post7059397 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Our First Tank
Any other suggestions???

Patience grasshopper:smokin:
 
As MTM suggested, patience here is the key.
What is now happening is your skimmer is creating a coating of colloidal proteins that will enable the removal of unwanted elements and waste freely. Biological teflon for a skimmer lol.

I've not used that particular type of skimmer but most all of them are the same in there operational process.

The one thing you will notice soon is the pungent odor of Hydrogen Sulfide (rotten eggs) in your collection cup. This will also include some green and brown gunk that will include everything and anything you don't really want floating around in the water.

Protein skimmers are perhaps the best and biggest leap the hobby has had in filtration and waste removal in the last 25 years. You'll absolutely benefit from this in your road to success.
Don't let the skimmer fool you into not doing water changes though. They're still required.

Happy Skimming.
 
Hahaha, My other half was thrilled to find out he has to sniff the skimmer when he gets home.

I keep telling myself that patience is a virtue :)
 
I think after a few good wiffs of the skimmer by-product, you won't have to worry about making any deviled eggs anytime soon.

MTM can give you some tips as to how to get better results such as "tweaking" the skimmer to get more and better quality skimmate also. You'll notice that on some days it will operate much more efficiently than others also.
When you do go to clean out the collection cup, make sure that you remove all the waste that collects in it and on it. The skimmer body itself will hold enough colloidal protein coating inside to easily regenerate the same process on the throat of the cup. Instead of it taking days or weeks it will only take about an hour or two if that.
 
good points wds - I clean my skimmer collection cup about every 2-3 days - if desired, you can clean it daily for top performance -

It is important to clean it completely as wds mentioned - not just emptying it out - after a few days the dry-er stuff that collects on the "neck" of the skimmer will stop the skimmer from working at all.

As far as levels - some people run "drier" and some "wetter". For your tank now, I'd go for fairly "wet" skimmate - meaning the bubbles that are coming out the top might only pop after about 10-seconds or so - and the bubbles rising in the neck will be popping fairly frequently (meaning that the bubbles only pop after like a second)- skimming "wet" like this should get you a full skimmer cup (or two) of light-green liquid every day.

As you tank matures, you can try going "drier" and collect darker skimmate.

If that's too much too fast, just let me know and I'll go sit in my corner for a while ;)
 
Good news everyone!!
We have gunk in the skimmer, and no bubbles in the tank. I saw my first foam spurt this morning and was so excited (which I think may mean I am officially obsessed with this skimmer).

My other half questioned me on how we actually clean the thing out though. Do we turn it off and take it apart? The place where it detaches looks like it would just be really messy. And just sticking a paper towel in it wouldnt clean it. I know it is probably intuitive, but still.....we don't want to screw this up.
 
There should be a collection cup on the skimmer. It should just pop right out, rince under hot water maybe use a finger to remove the thick green waste and pop the collection cup back on.
 
I use a toothbrush made to reach into crevices and cotton swabs to get those hard to reach areas from brushing. Works like a charm! Don't forget to clean the collection cup inside and out!
 
Ok...another lame question

Our collection cup does not come off. We can detach it right where the red ring is, which is what we did last night (as we are having guests and we did not want the funk lingering in the air).

However, we had to turn in off in order to do this...

hmmmmmmmm
 
you will have to turn off the skimmer to remove the collection cup and clean it - sounds like you did the right thing, but I've never had that exact skimmer, so I can't be sure.
 
Thats what he kept saying, but it really looks like it came apart. Oh well, I was wrong he was right....

More importantly, we did it right :)
 
We have the skimmer turned on all the way, and it is sucking out gunk :)

I have a question about the hermit crab. If all the gunk is bing sucked out, what will he eat? To me it makes no sense getting algae wafers for the bottom just for him.

Also, we have been feeding them 3 times a day. Flakes in the morning, 2 freezed dried shrimp for puffy and flakes in the afternoon, and brine shrimp at night.

Too much?
 
for my 65-gallon, I feed my tang a .5"X2" piece of dried seaweed daily because violet looks better when she's fat :D

for the rest of the inhabitants : two percula clowns, 4 chromis (like damsels) and midas blenny (picture by my posts) they get about 8 BB-sized soft pellets a day - probaby equivalent to a good pinch of flakes - and I think I'm still overfeeding :lol:

The hermit crab and skimmer are competing for two different kinds of food - the hermit will be fine getting the scraps of food dropped by the puffer fish (they're messy eaters) so the two of them make a good pair - this doesn't mean that you should feed your puffer extra food - just enough food for it to eat in a minute or two while you watch - if it gets dis-interested, feed less the next time.

Keep in mind - crabs are opportunistic - they'll eat food scraps, algae, small 'pods, and if they're hungry enough - or looking for a new home - they'll eat snails too - I'd use that as a good indicator of if you're feeding it enough - if you see a lot of empty snail shells, you might want to toss the guy a bone to chew on.

Personally - I don't have any hermits in my tank, as I like my snails a little more than them (they just eat that algae I don't like) - but that is a matter of preference. As long as the hermit is pretty small they shouldn't harm any fish and just harmlessly graze on nusiance algae - but some of those big bruisers that are the size of a golfball or larger definately have the capability of grabbing a damsel or other similar small fish while they're sleeping - just so you know.

If anything, the micro-fauna (small copepods, bristleworms, and the very, very small stuff you can't see except for with a microscope) are the animals that would be eating what the skimmer is pulling out - but this shouldn't worry you, as you don't have live rock, so you won't have an abundance of these critters - crank that skimmer up and pull out as much gunk as you can :thumbsup:

Brine shrimp have a pretty bad reputation for not having any nutritional value; If you have "enriched" brine shrimp, those aren't too bad, probably about as good as anything else - flakes are also appropriate for the type of livestock you have.

Puffy would probably enjoy some fresh shrimp (a 1/4 lb of the fresh tiger shrimp at the grocery store won't have preservatives (phosphates) and will probably be cheaper than LFS-bought food) and all other types of freshly-bought seafood from the store - it can be fun to experiment in the kitchen with some new seafood recipies for you and your family, and save a small stockpile of fresh seafood in the freezer for puffy. shrimp still in the shell will help their teeth - as would a crayfish (not everyone is too cool with that though :rolleyes: ) feeding a whole shrimp will probably be way too much - small 1/4"-1/2" pieces would be best.

As far as feeding frequency and amount goes - you can probably not feed your tank for a month without your fish looking "skinny" at all; It has been done with reef tanks - but they can cultivate a lot of supplemental live food - so I wouldn't try it with yours quite yet. As hobbiests, we tend to really over-feed our fish, and this can lead to a lot of problems over time - which won't make sense to you as you don't feel like you're over-feeding, but water quality will suffer and algae will begin to over-grow your tank in epic proportions for no apparent reason.

If you want to feed your tank three times a day - that's good, but make the feedings as small as possible - keeping a good eye on how much the fish actually eat, and how your nitrates climb over time. Keeping a log book during the first few months should let you know how fast your nitrates are rising - and what kind of water change schedule you will have to use to keep them at acceptable levels.

For example, if you can feed your fish 1/2 as much, and they're still healthy, and your nitrates only climb 1/2 as fast - you can reduce your water change schedule from once a week to once every two weeks. If you can reduce feedings by 1/4 - 1/4 the water changes (or so) - you get the idea.

I guess my point is that it is extremely easy to over-feed your tank, I personlally think that it is probably the reason that a lot of people fail at keeping saltwater tanks - they think they require more care - which they translate to mean more feedings.... leading to poor water quality and dead fish - so when it comes to feeding, err on the side of Less is more

did I mention that I love Fridays at work :)
 
We were going to get snails for puffy to help his teeth, but we are trying to refrain from anything live until the tank is stable. The same goes for fresh seafood as of right now. Am I wrong?

Puffy eats anything in the tank we throw in. He did get into a fight with the striped damsel over a freezed dried shrimp which was pretty funny. No one got hurt, but puffy's feelings. He has so much personality!

I guess I am just more concerned that they are getting the best nutrients, considering we are stressing them so much cycling.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7084443#post7084443 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Our First Tank
The same goes for fresh seafood as of right now. Am I wrong?

nah - sounds like he's in good hands :)
 
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