New to this forum....

[JohnnyAirtime]

Hey all,
Just wanted to say "hey" to the fellow divers out there!

I'm not a seasoned vet when it comes to diving, and seem to only go to places for the dive experience (tropical diver title)... and am one who runs out of air too fast (need to learn better breathing, or not be the last one in the water and hurrying to get down with the others).

Either way... I've dived a few places worthy of noting;
Bali, Koh Sumi, Phi Phi Island, Maui, Cozumel, Outer Cancun areas.

I'd love to get to other places not too far from the US, and will do so soon. I've just had my gear updated and am ready for some local beach dives to again... get my breathing back in order. Anyone in San Diego, who'd love to go blow some bubbles? Shoot me a PM!

(Open water certified since July 2001, however... with no log book )

:thumbsup:

 

[ackee]

Rapid air consumption is usually due to excessively strenuous physical activity, like rapid swimming instead of gently finning and gliding, or overexcitement. You need to be relaxed and calm, properly weight neutral, breathing slow and easy using minimum effort. New divers tend to use a lot of air. I've completed group dives with over 12000 psi remaining in my tank. New divers with racing pulses are often down to 500. Calm down.

 

[JohnnyAirtime]

.......Calm down.

LoL.... now thats a funny one. I'm actually very calm, arms crossed across my chest.... fins off the coral, and ocean bottom. Breathing normal.... (I definitely am not the unfit, overweight, newbie who doesn't know about all you just stated. )

What it usually is, as I stated (but I'll elaborate) ... is, that I'm the last one to go down (too much prep time before I enter the water) and was rushed to get there (the swim to the down location, or whatever) to submerge. Once I get there... I have ZERO time to catch my breath... so I'm left trying to catch it, as I dive! NO GOOD. ...I guess you missed that part?

Now, I've learned to get ready sooner. And beat other divers to the down location... works like a charm every time.

......Rapid air consumption is usually due to excessively strenuous physical activity

Uhh... really?! :deadhorse1: See above.

 

[Luiz Rocha]

What is the prep time for? Try to prep your stuff before you get to the site and you are golden! If you jump in and have to swim fast to catch up with the group you will always spend a lot of air. So either jump before (or at the same time) as they do, or don't try to catch up.

 

[ackee]

If you are properly weighted you should sink effortlessly. I've never had to "swim down". Slightly negative bouyancy at the beginning of the dive should allow you to sink at close to one foot per second. At the target depth a small tap on the bc inflator will bring you to neutral bouyancy, which means a tiny amount of positive bouyancy with a full inhale and a bit of negative when you exhale. SCUBA and "swimming" are a bad mix. I'm sorry if you feel I insulted you. It was not my intention. You did write that you intended to work on improving your breathing issues and air consumption in the future. I've been diving with SCUBA for 40 years, and am still learning and refining my technique. The best divers I've ever seen seem to move in slow motion.

I inadvertently added an extra zero when I wrote 12000 psi. I meant, of course, 1200.

 

[JohnnyAirtime]

What is the prep time for?

Putting on my makeup. :crazy1:

Putting on my suit, making sure I'm all-together... etc.etc. *** you think I'm talking about? I'm slow... and when on a boat dive (for example), I get a bit sea sick... so, I'm slow to get ready and usually last one in the water.

I already stated I need to work on getting ready sooner.

Try to prep your stuff before you get to the site and you are golden! If you jump in and have to swim fast to catch up with the group you will always spend a lot of air. So either jump before (or at the same time) as they do, or don't try to catch up.

Why does everyone state the obvious?!

:deadhorse:

 

[JohnnyAirtime]

If you are properly weighted you should sink effortlessly. I've never had to "swim down". Slightly negative bouyancy at the beginning of the dive should allow you to sink at close to one foot per second. At the target depth a small tap on the bc inflator will bring you to neutral bouyancy, which means a tiny amount of positive bouyancy with a full inhale and a bit of negative when you exhale. SCUBA and "swimming" are a bad mix.

I didn't mentioned having to "swim down"... where'd that come from? Also Never said I had trouble on "how to dive"... nor have I ever mentioned a bouyancy problem... why the need to explain it?

I'm sorry if you feel I insulted you. It was not my intention. You did write that you intended to work on improving your breathing issues and air consumption in the future. I've been diving with SCUBA for 40 years, and am still learning and refining my technique. The best divers I've ever seen seem to move in slow motion.

I inadvertently added an extra zero when I wrote 12000 psi. I meant, of course, 1200.

Of course I felt that way. In fact, I think it's pretty interesting how many of the veteran divers I know or have doven with seem to be somewhat pompous. Why is that you wonder? Always picking out the bad in someone's skill or ability... and then telling them how it's done and worse off... HOW THEY DO IT BETTER!! And all while before asking how many dives are under their belt... or what their skill level is. Hmmm.

And all over a simple comment. Blown out of proportion much?!

And yes, I did say I intended to work on my breathing... but I didn't ask for help on how to do such a thing... nor did I ask anyone why I'd be out of breath. So... why all the commentary on it?!

NEVER has anyone just said... "how was Thailand...? Where'd ya dive...?" Or anything else along with my introductory post. So much for the friendly crowd. No wonder I've never really mingled with "divers" outside of the water.

 

[JohnnyAirtime]

All this makes me want to delete my post and unsubscribe from this forum.

:headwally:

 

[ackee]

I think you have problems far beyond simple diving issues. You seem to be very quick to anger and to see friendly suggestions as criticism. I will certainly not trouble you with any further communication, except to seriously advise you to calm down in a more general sense. This is not a diver's site, only a subforum for those of us who dive or snorkel as an extension of our interest in aquaria. I apologize for offering unsolicited diving suggestions. I'll admit that I have, over the years, been annoyed by divers who burn through their air so rapidly that group dives have to be cut short. Perhaps my tone was affected by these experiences. Again, I apologize. I'm sure you are a skilled, highly competent diver.

 

[davocean]

I think people just gave you advice going on the fact that you are new here, so no one knows anything about you, and you stated that you weren't a seasoned diver but mainly a tropical/vacation diver, so that would seem low in exp level and you mentioned breathing technique improvement.
It seemed like common advice given to encourage you.

 

[JohnnyAirtime]

I think you have problems far beyond simple diving issues. You seem to be very quick to anger and to see friendly suggestions as criticism. I will certainly not trouble you with any further communication, except to seriously advise you to calm down in a more general sense. This is not a diver's site, only a subforum for those of us who dive or snorkel as an extension of our interest in aquaria. I apologize for offering unsolicited diving suggestions. I'll admit that I have, over the years, been annoyed by divers who burn through their air so rapidly that group dives have to be cut short. Perhaps my tone was affected by these experiences. Again, I apologize. I'm sure you are a skilled, highly competent diver.

I have problems "far beyond simple diving issues"?? Oh ya, and you wonder why I respond the way I do to your posts?? Because... now... it's MY fault?! I'm frickin' cracking up over hear.

To step in my friendly thread, and tell me what rapid air use is... and how your so great at not using your air, and explain it as-if I have no clue to what the problem(s) are... And then tell me my response is me having my own issues.... Gimme' a frickin' break. Get over yourself, and find someone else to belittle.

If you think by telling someone to "calm down" you won't get a defensive response, your NEW to person to person communication. Maybe you'd benefit from a "communication" class. :lol:

... funny thing is, your still telling what this "subforum" is. I call that "stating the obvious". I'm not sure why you continue to do so.

Your advice is not wanted here. Even if the intent was to be positive, and informative. It's not how it's perceived.

I think people just gave you advice going on the fact that you are new here, so no one knows anything about you,

My point exactly. So why ASSUME and fill in the blanks... and not just ask!?

.....and you stated that you weren't a seasoned diver but mainly a tropical/vacation diver, so that would seem low in exp level and you mentioned breathing technique improvement.

Again... I didn't give anyone enough facts to drum up that analogy. "Seem" and assume go hand in hand with me.

It seemed like common advice given to encourage you.

Odd way of "encouraging". Maybe if the delivery was different, it would have been taken as such. However, I even had my wife read the post before I responded... and she thought the same (obviously you'd think she's on my side or my best support... but, she's very neutral and can see it open-mindedly).

--------------------- to Luiz Rocha, ackee ---------------------
And since your both so quick to offer advice, let me do the same for you;
BEFORE you offer advice to someone you don't know, get some details first of that person and what they do, or don't know of the advice your giving. And don't use adjectives that describe the person directly, or specifically tell them what to do (IE: "Calm down"). You NEVER know who your talking to, and when using such little information to draw a conclusion... it'll often be incorrect. We all know what "*** U Ming" is right?!


... see you all on some other part of the site. Hopefully we won't have these same problems