Newbie mcTank'erson needs advice

Well, I just finished looking through the links posted. There's actually no real data at all there. There's also a number of claims that seem doubtful. I don't believe their bacteria product is going to consume algae for you, as one example. That's not credible, IMO.
 
There was a Bill Hiatt that is a lobbyist/spokeperson for BASF Chemical. As they do sell water treatment chemicals I guess it could be him.
 
Oh by the way. The EPA had this to say about bacteria additives used in septic tanks

From a Paper by U.S.EPA's National Risk Management Laboratory, Paper 625/R-00/008
Biological additives, like bacteria and extracellular enzymes mixed with surfactants or nutrient solutions, which mirror but do not appear to significantly enhance normal biological decomposition processes in the septic tank. Some biological additives have been found to degrade or dissipate septic tank scum and sludge. However, whether this relatively minor benefit is derived without compromising long-term viability of the soil infiltration system has not been demonstrated conclusively. Some studies suggest that material degraded by additives in the tank contributes to increased loadings of BOD, TSS, and other contaminants in the otherwise clarified septic tank effluent.
 
No, not that Bill Hiatt. The Bill Hiatt I know never worked for BASF. As for the EPA paper, it's funny that this is one of goverment agencies that purchase Hiatt product on a monthly basis. Tom, you do realize that when selling product to the goverment like the carbon and bacteria, you have to able to backup your claim what the product will do or perform. Otherwise the goverment will come down on you like a tone of brick for false and fraudulence advertise or claim.

Jonatan, I know you don't believe the Right Now bacteria can consume algae, how about protein? do you think the Right Now bacteria can consume protein?

How about this, what if I tell you the pump inside your tank for circulation can actually lower your pH in the tank? Do you believe that? Anyone?
 
Lots of bacteria consume protein. I think you're just trying to advertise a product I would never buy or recommend, based on its description so far, so I don't care to discuss that issue further.

Sure, adding a pump could lower pH. I don't understand what that has to do with this thread. Shouldn't that be some other thread?
 
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Well, I think I am going to throw away my RO/DI after reading this. The large amount of iron and other metals in my tap water will obviously have no affect on the inhabitants of my tank. And, if it does manage to cause an algae bloom, I will just buy some bacteria to eat the algae. After they have consumed the algae, I will purchase some more bacteria to eat the smaller bacteria. After they have consumed the bacteria, I will purchase more bacteria to eat the smaller bacteria. Soon, my tank will be full of bacteria-eating bacteria. Hmmm, do I have room for some carbon?
 
Thanks everyone for your input, on this apparntly controversial issue. My boxes of goodies are starting to arrive so in a few days I can put water in the tank! How exciting!!! The coral book showed up and its amazing btw.

What is this place IPSF I see people referring too?

I think I am still planning on getting the TBS rock. From what I have read from others posts it sounds like a lot of fun getting a rock with all sorts of things that could be living on it. I realise some can be bad, but I a very adept at catching things in an aquarium(worked in a FW fish store for a few years). I am prepared to battle mantis and hairy crab!
*runs off to grab some tongs and empty water bottles*
As to the fiji walt smith stuff, it seems that the rock is going to be pretty devoid of all life except for purple coraline by the time it gets to me. I dont see how any sea dwelling organisms can go that long out of water, and last the whole curing cycle without food. Im sure the better shapes can contribute to a much cooler aquascape, but I am willing to make the trade off.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=5923503#post5923503 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by skylab1
No, not that Bill Hiatt. The Bill Hiatt I know never worked for BASF. As for the EPA paper, it's funny that this is one of goverment agencies that purchase Hiatt product on a monthly basis. Tom, you do realize that when selling product to the goverment like the carbon and bacteria, you have to able to backup your claim what the product will do or perform. Otherwise the goverment will come down on you like a tone of brick for false and fraudulence advertise or claim.

Jonatan, I know you don't believe the Right Now bacteria can consume algae, how about protein? do you think the Right Now bacteria can consume protein?

How about this, what if I tell you the pump inside your tank for circulation can actually lower your pH in the tank? Do you believe that? Anyone?



Sorry but this is not crediable as everyone knows about the governments $500.00 toilet seats and that doesn't include the $350.00 ink pens.
 
Re: Newbie mcTank'erson needs advice

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=5884780#post5884780 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jezzeaepi
Hello everyone, Ive been reading the board for atleast several hours a day for the passed few weeks in order to do research for my tank, and now that I think Ive decided on everything to order, I wanted to run it passed the more experienced reefers to make sure Im not setting myself up for problems.

Tank:
40 gallon sea clear on a nice stand. I live on the 3rd floor in an apartment so there really isnt much of an option for going bigger. I managed to find the tank slightly used locally for $150 at that included the stand, some lights I can transfer to my big FW tank back home, some random buckets, and a AC200 that I can plug in when I want to run activated carbon. There was a fairly new heater with it too, but I am not very trusting of many heater companies and espcially not a used one. I can use it to heat my water change water I guess.

Water:
Since its only a 40 gallon tank, and I have a LFS a couple blocks away, Ill just purchase my salt water at 75cents a gallon from them. I live in an apartment so a RODI unit sittin around pumping water into a bunch of trash cans isnt an option really due to space constraints.

Lighting:
I decided to go with PC lighting since I suck at woodworking and any hood that I made would look so tacky in my living room. Id rather just get a metal PC hood that I can easily set up in 5 mins and looks classier. I ended up purchasing a catalina aquariums hood off ebay. Although it was a good bit more expensive then the cheapo jebo's flooding the market at $165 shipped, it came with a 5 year ballast warranty and a 1 year warranty on the entire unit. It has one 96W 10k, and one 96W "actinc". It is my understanding that this should be fine for most things, just not sps or clams, which is fine with me.

Skimming:
Based on recomdations on this board, I went with a Remora w/skimmer box. It was about 6 month used, but I can still replace the power head on it and still be ahead of the reg price by like 60 bucks or so. The maxijet1200 seems to be what everyon uses, or should I look into something better? Noise is a bit of a concern so I'll pay extra for something quiet.

Temp Control:
I live in seattle and dont plan on running MH so I dont forsee any scenario that would require a chiller. In the FW world I have always used ebo-jagers on all my tanks and was planning on orering a 200W for this tank. I have never heard of anyones tank getting cooked by an ebo so unless there is a "safer" brand I think I will stick with that. Often I see people recomend two heaters, but I dont want to clutter the already cluttered back of my tank even more, throw away 20 bucks(that could be better spent elsewhere), and add another component that will need to be maintined/replaced/etc.

Water Flow:
My research thus far has led me to believe that I am looking for atleast a 30x flow rate in my tank. Although I may add a fuge in the future, for now it will have to be done entirely through powerheads. I was thinking of doing two SEIO 620's in the back of the tank pointing at opposite corners, which would give me 30x + whatever the skimmer counts as.

Testing:
I was looking at getting a http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=9957&N=2004+113761 (specially since its on sale!) Unless someone has something bad to say about them, looks like a good deal to me.
For testing water parameters, is there any brand that you recomend? Possiply a good kit that just has what I need so I am not paying for a bunch of things I wont use? I am very familiar with FW water testing, but not so much with salt water. From the looks of it the "needed" ones are amonia/nitrites/nitrates/PH/Alkhalinity/Calcium . The rest are kind of a mystery to me. Are there any others that I will need to test frequently? If anyone had a basic testing regiment they wished to share Id be interested in reading it.

Buffering/dosing:
This is what I defintly know the least about. If anyone could point me to some articles it would be appreciated.

As far as live rock/live sand is concerned, I will be ordering "the package" from TBS(although probably the 30 gallon sized one). I really dont care to contribute in anyway to the destruction of the reefs around the world. Unless im missing something there is only floridaliverocks, TBS, and a place in fiji that aquaculture rock rather then blasting/chiseling etc.
I chose TBS because it seems to be a good deal once you include the clean up crew. Their method of shipping is by far superior imo as things get to stay in water when shipped. Even though the gulf rock isnt available right now, they keys rock is pretty good from what Ive read. I am prepared to deal with the bad hitchikers as I think they are worth it considering all Ive heard about the good hitchhikers that are also present. It sounds like a blast groing through your rock and finding a huge array of life forms. I just dont think Id be satisfied ordering rock from anywhere else really. Ive seen whats in the LFS around ehre and uhmm.. NOOOOooooo.. TBS please for the same price hehe.


Well if youve made it this far, thanks for reading and I look forward to your input.



Jesse




The refractometer was a good deal and very good price. I have 2 of them myself.

Salifert test I prefer Aquarium Pharmacuticals myself but I know lots of people who prefer the Salifert brand.


water flow well I have 28. something x tank water and it is not enough. I need more.



Please disreguard everything posted by skylab1, from what I can see he is a tank service company. And in my experience, these guys on the average, do just enough to your tank to make do and therefore you need them forever, it is not cost effective for him to make your tank run by itself. (they would be out of a job very soon if they did that)

I know this about maintance companies because I have several friends who do this for a living, yes they become very efficent (sp) at what they do. But I find they use minimal amount of equipment. Especially the ones who order the fish, coral,etc wholesale and then sell it to you at retail. They simply sell you another fish or coral when the one they already sold to you dies.

I have on occassion gone and worked on tanks for a couple of them because they were out of town and had an emergency with a tank here or there. I was shocked at how little equipment, the tank actually had, to maintain the tank. But not the condition of the tank considering the lack of equipment. I made recommendations to the tank owners, as to what should be done, and what equipment they actually needed.

Also I did not see any mention of a uv sterilizer as planned equipment, but to me it is almost as important as the protein skimmer, if you have fish. I have seen what they can do, and always recommend them as necessary equipment to purchase before fish.

Most if not all of our local club members are using them, We have over 100 members and we all swear by them.
 
As for the cheapo Jebo's flooding the market, I have 2 - 4x 55 watt and I would not trade them for anything less than MH. Which I did, But I still have them and plan to use them on a future tank. They served me very well for 2 + years and I have them stored for the next tank they will fit on.
 
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