Nightmare Red Cotton Algae: Took over my tank

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6822869#post6822869 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gladius
And who says nothing good ever happens fast in this hobby? ;) :lol:

Great point.. looks like this thread has changed the cardinal rule of reefing to:

:rollface: :dance: Nothing good ever happens fast in this hobby except for JUMBO MEXICAN TURBO SNAILS!! :rollface: :dance:

And we changed this rule without breaking the Golden Rule.....:bum: No Chemicals it has to be natural...:bum:

Great way to wrap up a thread...... Only on RC......:D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6826673#post6826673 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by trueblackpercula
EVERYONE THAT HAS HAD THIS ALGEA CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOUR LIVE ROCK IS FROM? LOCATION AND VENDER PLEASE.
THANKS
MICHAEL


Interesting question.....

I only experienced the Red nightmare when using "Dead Rock" to establish my new system..... Prior rock ( for 2 years with NO signs of the nightmare) was used from my old 90 gallon reef and moved to the new tank. My LFS speculated the problem may have resulted from spores in the dead rock..... but of course he lost big$$$$ not selling me LR. IMO I understocked the cleaner crew from the start..... (My mistake) but how many out there have had this problem occur when introducing "Dead Rock" in your tanks?........ Although I am surprised that some snails made such a significant difference to combat this issue...... Why?.... Any opinions?

Is understocking your cleaner crew the reason why folks have had this problem?

I guess another question moving forward is what do you do to avoid this nightmare? (Other than buy some Mex Turbo snails)

Trust me it's a nightmare that makes you think about quitting the hobby...... but so simple to resolve.... If you know what to do.... If not...... no logic (or science ??) will help.....
 
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My rock and the algae (I'm sure) came from Reef Science. I suspect this issue will occur with any live rock so I would not eliminate vendors listed here. I am quite pleased with the Indonesian LR that Chad (Reef Science) gets ahold of. Although nothing beat Harbour Aquatics when they were still in business.
 
I asked for vendor and location of rock. Only becuase there a few others on R/C that have had this out break as well even after cooking there rock. So i am looking to eliminate possible causes. any input on your rock curing and location and vender would help.
 
Unfortunately, my problem came from live rock I aquired from a friend who had the problem. I had no idea that it would turn into what it did! Anyway, the milk is now cleaned up and I'm a little wiser for it. BTW, I have never had this problem, or any other from Walt Smith's premium fiji. Love the stuff! :)
 
Anyone tried "ordinary" turbos to battle this algae? The Mexican Turbo seem to be impossible to get hold of here in Europe.

Thanks!
 
I have 10 ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œordinary Turbosââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ in my 66g tank. They took care of a brown algae outbreak that I had. They also ate all the HA except where it was in long tufts.

I think they will go for whatever food there is.

Good luck.
 
I'd like to get on board here as my tank is just as bad or worse than the pics posted with the red cotton ball algae. It is very discouraging. I'm happy there is a light at the end of the tunnel using mexican turbos. I'm going to get some, LFS has a bunch.

My comment to the thread is this: Out of curiosity, have any of you tested your top off and water change water with a TDS meter? I'd like to see some results. I got an inline TDS meter for my R/O unit that has been in service about a year and will put it in today.

Any comments?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6846352#post6846352 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rainchief
I'd like to get on board here as my tank is just as bad or worse than the pics posted with the red cotton ball algae. It is very discouraging. I'm happy there is a light at the end of the tunnel using mexican turbos. I'm going to get some, LFS has a bunch.

My comment to the thread is this: Out of curiosity, have any of you tested your top off and water change water with a TDS meter? I'd like to see some results. I got an inline TDS meter for my R/O unit that has been in service about a year and will put it in today.

Any comments?

I have an in-line TDS meter on my RO/DI unit.... It lights up green whan all is fine.... Also, last month I replaced all filters/membranes in the unit.... all tests are positive....

I might add before I found out about Mex Turbos I had a water sample shipped out to two independant sources fro testing. My LFS also took a water sample and shipped to another location for testing.....

Trust me with a 350 gallon refugium packed with DSB and macro algae the water tested perfect.....:D

My tank never looked better.... but those Turbos are ending up all over the place..... Found one in my MTC 3000 skimmer yesterday????? How it got there I have no idea.....:confused:
 
MMGM, sorry to get off topic but do you visit or have you visited frazer zoo?? Because I was talking to mike about macros and he mentioned your problem to me.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6903522#post6903522 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ratimpulse
MMGM, sorry to get off topic but do you visit or have you visited frazer zoo?? Because I was talking to mike about macros and he mentioned your problem to me.

Ratim:

I don't know anyone from frazer zoo...... also I don't know any Mike ......
 
okay, because he was talking about someone with your problem and your from NJ so I was just wondering. I hope everything works out, I havent read all 4 pages. But why dont you cook your rocks?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6904501#post6904501 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ratimpulse
okay, because he was talking about someone with your problem and your from NJ so I was just wondering. I hope everything works out, I havent read all 4 pages. But why dont you cook your rocks?

I cooked about 70-80 pounds.... That was all I could remove from the tank without taking apart the cabinet..... Luckily the Mexican Turbos did the rest of the work and now not a sign of this stuff.....

Have a good one....:D
 
I don't know if this adds anything but I have developed this algae in my display and fuge to gigantic proportions over the last 7 months. My tank was otherwise well established with few new additions. After much research on Asparagopsis it sounds like they grow well in high flow, are more-or-less independent of bright vs low light (though they do need some) and may fix Boron into their cells, thereby making themselves less palatable. I pull about 4-5 cups a week out by manual removal.

Briefly, water paramaters are all ok, I run RO water with 0-1 TDS in my topoff and water changes, I run Phosban reactor with new media, Instant Ocean salt, run an Aqua C skimmer 24/7, have a 30 gal fuge with chaetomorpha, wash all my frozen foods, have a light bioload and 10-20% of the water every other week. I have a lawn-mower blenny which eats this some as well as a foxface, kole tang and coral beauty that basically ignore it.

One thing I can think of, is that this really started to take off when I stopped dosing Kalk. I changed to almost exclusively a calcium reactor and my pH dipped some to around 8.0. That is really the only major thing (coincidence or not) that I can tie in as a change at that time.

This thread has inspired me that this is a battle I can win, and I will get some Mexican turbos this weekend.

Thanks for the tread guys.
Mat
 
Good Luck...

I am certain the Mexican Turbos will make a difference....:D

For the record do you have any pictures?

Keep us posted on results.... The more success stories with Mexican Turbos the better battle plan we have to combat this stuff.......:D
 
I guess one other thing I left out was that I went through something similar before this with Bryopsis and ended up taking all the rocks out and scrubbing them down. Also installed the phosban reactor and started washing my foods. I had a period of about 4 months with limited algae, and then the red cotton-balls started.

yeah I have a few pics from back when it was just a few isolated clumps.

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This is an awesome thread. Just this last week I started winning this battle after many months. I know this seems to be a very scarce issue, but we need to sticky this thread due to how nasty it can be in a tank.

Let me squash a few things I read I think are completely false:
1) It thrives on low PH. Very unlikely. My PH is at 8.4 - 8.5 constant since I started my tank.
2) Siphoning and/or pulling it off won't help much. This is couldn't be any further from the truth. I will comment on this later.

Soooooo... Mine started probably 4 months back as a "little cute pink ball". As many have realized, man I had no idea what I was in for. I couldn't find ANY thread on this stuff (which is why I really want to put my ideas in here).

Let me tell you, I know first hand about this stuff. I have a 58 gallon. This was just one of my main pieces of rock on a "good" day.

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I tried EVERYTHING. Let me give you the list in order of changes made.

1) I went from a 20 gallon to 100 gallon sump
2) Added full time phosphate and carbon filters
3) Increased my macro algae (chaeto) massively
4) Went from a little AquaC EV-120 skimmer to a massive 36" GEO
5) Beefed up my cleanup crew. 40+ smaller snails (cerith, astrea) and my first crabs ever (20+ blue leg, 6 scarlet)
6) Switched from flake food to everything else (frozen, cylopeez, mysis, etc)
7) I did cleanup like you can't imagine. I started off just pulling out what I could by hand. The KEY is to grab a bunch between your fingers, and DO NOT LET GO until it is out of the water. You will have minimal float away. I intensified this later by using a suction and a toothbrush. This worked even better, but it was just a matter of days before it was growing back. I even took the worst piece out and physically scrubbed it (which is why you don't see my cool green macro anymore).

Each one of these helped, but barely made a dent. How much time and effort? No idea. How much headache, searching of threads, posting, and minimal responses that helped? Way too much.













BEHOLD!!! MY $2.50 SAVIORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!











2 TRUE MEXICAN TURBO'S (about 1.5")
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4 months of fighting and these little suckers have DESTROYED this stuff in ONE WEEK. Minimal remains in my tank.

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I do want to clear something up though. Those of you putting in tons of "turbo snails" (and by tons, this is more than like 6), I really hope are putting in the small 1/2-3/4" Astrea. Their mouths are roughly 1/20th the size of the REAL Mexican turbo snail's. Even on a monster tank like a 400-600, unless you just grow algae that would keep a fleet of tangs happy, no more than two dozen TRUE Mexican turbo snails should be required. If you add more, you'll just be starving the poor guys in no time.

Note, I have NEVER EVER seen one of my Astrea sitting in a patch of pink muching away. I have witnessed numerous times the Mexican turbo doing just that.




Oh... I almost forgot...




BOOOGA BOOOGA!!!!!!!

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(did I scare you?)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6954933#post6954933 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RokleM

Soooooo... Mine started probably 4 months back as a "little cute pink ball". As many have realized, man I had no idea what I was in for.

Good Post RokleM...... Very well articulated..... It's really funny because when my Red Nightmare started I thought to myself.....

What a really cute pink ball...... :D Honest I did......:D

And all the work you did? Almost a Ditto here...... I used to spend 7 hours a day scooping this stuff out with a fish net..... Looked great.... but a week later the tank was run over again.....


Anyway, we truely have light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to this stuff... However, looks like more people than I originally thought have had the same nightmare......:D
 
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