No Water Changes!

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12424862#post12424862 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by johno4
You probably need to calm down with the attitude, he is simply showing what works for him. As many other people have already stated including myself water changes are beneficial but are not a must. This forum is about learning and sharing experiences not putting down others.
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The fact that you follow the same vein of lazy husbandry nullifies your opinion somewhat. Are you really qualified to say that water changes aren't required, simply because your tank, along with a few others, isn't crashing? At what rate do the trace elements found in reef aquariums deplete. And, at what rate do dissolved organics and toxins increase?

This forum is about learning, not about coddling those who take a reckless path in the hobby. Yes, it is just a hobby as someone said. Although, we're allowed to lord over hundreds or thousands of (albeit basic) animals. It's a responsibility, not just a box of water. If you can't be bothered to act responsibly, maybe you should find another hobby.
 
my only concern with no water changes is what happens if something happens that forces a water change.

will you be able to re create the conditions in there now?

I do water changes in my little tank... its too easy not to.
 
longchamp....who decides what this forum is all about, you?

hardly. And youre way out of line and sounding like a whiny d_ou_h_ telling someone that they need to get a new hobby becuase they dont change the water as often as you like.

"If you can't be bothered to act responsibly, maybe you should find another hobby." Youre a funny guy....really, I love that you think you can be the arbiter of such matters.

...and trying to mask your contempt with the veil of compassion about animals isnt winning you any points here either. It's quite transparent...

is it lazy if it works? not sure

is it up to you to decide? no

did anyone ask you to be the moderator of whats right and wrong? no

do you sound like a holier-than-thou noob with less than 100 posts trying to throw his weight around because he's had a bad day and wants to take it out on someone on a message board about aquariums? yes.

I went to this guys house here in stl to buy some LR.....I walked in and saw the craziest 30g cube I've maybe ever seen....all softies....zoas, shrooms, gsp, xenia....it was crazy....NOTM material....this dude was like 50+ years old, had never been on a forum in his life, he did what worked for him.....and that was no skimmer, no carbon, no water changes in 6 months....the tank looked like this madman's jungle....but damn, it was cool....even under the crazy yellow MH he was working with.

would I do what he did? no....but would I badger him like a know-it-all? No way. Many different ways to do this....youre no expert...and I'd bet 10 dollars paypal, your tank isnt that much better than this dudes....if it is, post it. do it....blow me away. show us how much cleaner your 75 is.

As I see it, he isnt being abusive, hes testing parameters, running a skimmer....his stuff is open, I see no algae, and all said, it looks like something I'd put in the corner of a room somewhere....
 
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oh, and the dude with 1000+ posts who you wanna start beef with and talk lazy husbandry, and how his opinions are void....

hes a biology teacher.

heh.
 
the only thing I would be worried about is replenishment of trace elements, but hey, if it works, it works......there are just not many tanks that can have a success story like this without doing any water changes, unless heavy supplements are dosed into the tank.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12426478#post12426478 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by burtbollinger
oh, and the dude with 1000+ posts who you wanna start beef with and talk lazy husbandry, and how his opinions are void....

hes a biology teacher.

heh.
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Me?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12426372#post12426372 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by burtbollinger
blah blah blah blah
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Don't try to turn this into some post-count regdate junk-waving contest. I've been on this board since feb of 2004 until i decided to pick up a new username. But hey, if you want to turn this into some inane garbage like that, go for it. The fact is, i'm not calling for some witchhunt for people who don't do water changes, but they shouldn't come to the forums and spread misinformation which can cause more damage to the hobby then they're already doing by themselves. PS: 4 years of undergrad with a Bio minor, or even a BS in bio, doesn't make an expert in this hobby. Have you ever taken any bio classes, or anything besides high-school difficulty level communications classes?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12426139#post12426139 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Longchamp
If you can't be bothered to act responsibly, maybe you should find another hobby.
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It is obvious you are one of those D-bag's who think they are always right so I will comment no more. I was simply stating that it can be done and the most common way is not the only way.

taken 5 minutes ago with a cheap point and click camera all that was done was a resize.

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same tank this pick is from Jan. I'd say theres some growth going on.

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Last water change was Thanksgiving. Like I said it can be done.
 
first off....no....not highschool commz, d-bag....

BS in Broadcast Journalism, University of Missouri-Columbia, class of 98...a program you or most likely anyone you know would not be able to get into... Basically, in "real life" If I chose to, I could speak and write circles around you.

so blahblahblah?....hardly.

As such, While my bio education may be lacking, my reading comprehension skills are through the roof, and you sir, well, your points are just a tad bizzare...

"misinformation which can cause more damage to the hobby then they're already doing by themselves"

***?

You can't be serious, can you? What an arrogant blanket statement.

i cant fathom why you think its spreading misinfo....hes just showing his tank, and your panties are in a bunch because now no one is gonna do water changes anymore. Highly unlikely.

I for one enjoy his post, and its helpful knowing that if I miss a change or two, things might not just die on me. Its also neat to be reminded that there are many different ways to have sucess in this hobby, and have a tank that is small, pleasing to the eye, and seemingly healthy.

BUT yet, you're here, and youre telling folks that they are lazy, and that they to get out of the hobby. Not only that, but they are "damaging the hobby." That's out-of-line. For being here since 2004, you'd think you had a clue about how bossy and annoying you must appear.

For real...post your tank pics, I want to see how much better and cleaner it is.
 
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No water changes can be done. The tank will grow until a point where the elements and minerals simply run out. If you have SPS, they will stop growing and perhaps start to white out because they require calcium to deposit to continue to grow. It can't grow out of thin air. Certain corals will continue to grow, while other start to wither away. Then the corals will take that dying coral's nutrients and continue to grow until it runs out again.

See the common point? They need elements and calcium to grow. So if you want the reef to continue to grow, then you will need to either add trace elements or do a water change. And to add trace elements, you would need to test it and buy all kinds of test kits. Or just do the easy thing, and change out the water to replace the elements evenly.

Basically, water changes are necessary for a reef that can't export the nutrients fast enough. But to a mature reef, you can go quite awhile without water changes (especially with macroalgae and skimmer), but you still run into the elements problem.
 
I don't think the main purpose of the original post was saying..."don't do water changes"....he simply shared his tank and said doing no water changes is working for him....so whats the deal??

Longchamp, do you go around telling people how to raise their kids? b/c you sound like an idiot who would do so. Let the guy be, if others don't want to do water changes then oh well...You sound like the soup nazi from seinfeld...Well, "no water change for you"

back on the original post, and someone else had mentioned, what do you do when fish look sick? are you adding any elements to the tank? and if so what?
 
WOW!

Longchamp..... In no way was I telling anyone this is what they should or need to do. So they can maintain a healthy reef. I also in no way am hurting the hobby by posting my results or the subsequent way in which I achieve my results.

I do not doubt that I would benefit greatly if I did more water changes. With that being said, to point out someone’s absurd comment that I am not taking reasonability for my tank, it is very healthy and new growth shows itself weekly. That statement is just complete off-base.

I AM A NOOB! And in no way state that I am not nor that anyone should follow in my foot steps, I simply come on here to learn from others successes and failures in hopes I can have a healthy and beautiful system. (water changes were not working for me, this used to be my seahorse tank.)

If you disagree with me that is fine, I ask that you leave the drama off my thread, yet if you have constructive criticisms by all means tell me, as stated before I am here to learn.

NOW EVERYONE GO AND DO A WC........ Longchamp might get mad at you if you don’t.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12427950#post12427950 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bogart80
WOW!


NOW EVERYONE GO AND DO A WC........ Longchamp might get mad at you if you don’t.
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lol .

You did say you were adding B-Ionic Buffer (NO.1 AKALINTIY NO.2 CALCUM), is that what you think is keeping the corals looking nice and growing?
 
I add the B-Ionic Buffer (NO.1 AKALINTIY NO.2 CALCUM), 3-4 times a week I only feed them a 1/2 qube of mysis shrimp every 4 days and add FW as needed. Thats it
 
sweet looking tank..altough i do do wc's if it works for you then go for it....maybe all the fuss could be settled down if you put a disclaimer in there for noob's...:D

Rick
 
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