Illuminati
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No Water Changes!
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melanotaenia
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Coral in general utilize such a wide array of different elements in their growth and daily routines; just like any other organism, over a period of time they can adapt to less than adequate levels of said elements, but at the cost of lost growth, lost coloration, and generally less thriving on a day to day basis.
It is not to say that the coral, over time, can't live in these conditions, but the fact of the matter is, changing water replenishes these nutrients to levels that can be considered adequate for growth. As the nutrients are used up in day to day metabolism, the water becomes less nutrient rich, and thus water changes replenish said levels.
A two part is going to help with some of the elements, but even those running full blown Zeo systems, where there are more supplements than you could possibly imagine, keep up a diligent water changing regimen. Even with the most sophisticated methodologies and supplements, nothing can really take the place of a good water change on a regular basis.
The subjective part of the equation is what is considered to be "regular"....some will argue weekly, others monthly, but the frequency of water changes should remain consistent. As others have mentioned, there is a reason the reefs have currents to move water around and replenish nutrients multiple times per day.
if you want to try your luck with a hard coral, try a frag of acro from a friend; don't put a colony in there because I would hate to see you kill off an entire colony, but I guarantee that if you put a frag of any Acro in there, you will see RTN in no time.
But hey, I've only been doing this for 15 years, so what do I know
It is not to say that the coral, over time, can't live in these conditions, but the fact of the matter is, changing water replenishes these nutrients to levels that can be considered adequate for growth. As the nutrients are used up in day to day metabolism, the water becomes less nutrient rich, and thus water changes replenish said levels.
A two part is going to help with some of the elements, but even those running full blown Zeo systems, where there are more supplements than you could possibly imagine, keep up a diligent water changing regimen. Even with the most sophisticated methodologies and supplements, nothing can really take the place of a good water change on a regular basis.
The subjective part of the equation is what is considered to be "regular"....some will argue weekly, others monthly, but the frequency of water changes should remain consistent. As others have mentioned, there is a reason the reefs have currents to move water around and replenish nutrients multiple times per day.
if you want to try your luck with a hard coral, try a frag of acro from a friend; don't put a colony in there because I would hate to see you kill off an entire colony, but I guarantee that if you put a frag of any Acro in there, you will see RTN in no time.
But hey, I've only been doing this for 15 years, so what do I know
Dadgum... Got nasty in here.
shred5
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Its not trash talking it is about caring about the animals and the destruction of the reefs, there is a difference.. It is irresponsible to rip a animal from it home and not give it the best care possible. Would you not clean your dogs water dish or food dish for a year? Dog would probably live but is it a healthy thing?…
It also looks like he has a magnifica in the tank which requires a large tank and high lighting, high flow and pristine water. Would you lock your child and force him to live in a closet? Also if you look at his history the anemone was not there before and it will die if it is what I think it is.
It is threads like this that is causing our hobby to be under fire. You do not think that people that are trying to get this hobby shut down do not read stuff like this? I am just happy there are people here that are willing to fight for such a great hobby.
He did not come here looking for advice he started this thread to brag. If people make mistakes with their coral and fish because they do not know it is different, you will not be flamed. But the only reason for a post like this is he was looking to start trouble. Also if you look at his history in his first post he posts a pic of the tank at a week old. Either he posted a old pic or his tank aint even close to a year old and he is lieing.
Do you think that someone that has been in the hobby only a year has the experience to even attempt a reef with out water changes? Question is: it is a picture and does not show allot of things.? It shows a few extreemly hardy corals that could live through a nuclear war? But it does not show what he has possibly killed. The only thing new in the tank is the coral or anemone that is on top and who knows it could have been in his tank for 2 days.
Dave
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I will post new photos tonight.
I ask that if you are going to make a comment PLEASE READ THE INTIRE THREAD.
This wasn’t out of being lazy. I m not going to say it again go back and read as well as try and comprehend what I said before.
Again Ill try and get some shots up tonight.
I ask that if you are going to make a comment PLEASE READ THE INTIRE THREAD.
This wasn’t out of being lazy. I m not going to say it again go back and read as well as try and comprehend what I said before.
Again Ill try and get some shots up tonight.
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I have yet to really respond to any attacks made in my direction until now.
You Sir Dave "shred5" are completely wrong! The pic that I posted of the tank young is an old pic. In fact if you read this entire thread you would have come across a thread were I posted a link to a thread started almost a year ago were I ASK FOR ADVICE and you will see that same pic. Nothing that I have put in my tank has died. (Knock on wood) I added the anemone about 4 months ago.
I did not come here to "Brag" nor was I at anytime telling people this is WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. I even went to the extent to say if I start to do W/C I may see an improvement. (Again you have to read the entire thread)
I stated that all my tested LVL's are with in norm. And that because I am new to REEF tanks I do not want to change up what is working for me.
This thread in no way will help to shut down this hobby, in fact I doubt if this hobby could ever be shut down. The LFS and the internet sells make up for a nice chunk of change for the econ. No one will be able to stop this hobby.
You comments about me were made out of ignorance, probably because you did not read the inter thread If you did, then you simply just did not comprehend or only chose to pick up on the parts that you felt validated your point.
This site is for learning and to share your experiences. All I did was share my experience, if you disagree with how I do something by all means I am open to your experience and/or knowledge that I may learn from. With that being said, IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS FLAME KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! You’re not helping anyone!
BTW Dave, learn to spell.
burtbollinger
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I agree with Bogart80....
I see a lot of dorks/know it alls at the LFS....looks like they're in here too.
I'm talking about you, Dave.
I see a lot of dorks/know it alls at the LFS....looks like they're in here too.
I'm talking about you, Dave.
burtbollinger
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dave, I'm sorry but this comment is a tremendous overreaction to someone simply showing his tank.
you dont think youre overreacting with the below?
"It is threads like this that is causing our hobby to be under fire. You do not think that people that are trying to get this hobby shut down do not read stuff like this? I am just happy there are people here that are willing to fight for such a great hobby."
if you said it to my face, I'd say you were acting, at the moment, like adork, making a mountain out of a molehill.
now you wanna ban me? hey, you do what you do, bro...
you dont think youre overreacting with the below?
"It is threads like this that is causing our hobby to be under fire. You do not think that people that are trying to get this hobby shut down do not read stuff like this? I am just happy there are people here that are willing to fight for such a great hobby."
if you said it to my face, I'd say you were acting, at the moment, like adork, making a mountain out of a molehill.
now you wanna ban me? hey, you do what you do, bro...
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