StevieK
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keep up the dosing.
Hair algae in the display? If so, i would elevate Mag to 1400 using specifically Kent.
NO3:PO4-x conversion to vinegar
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keep up the dosing.
Hair algae in the display? If so, i would elevate Mag to 1400 using specifically Kent.
Thanks, that's what I am planning to do. Ill just keep dosing and see if I can get the algae to die off in the DT. To me, the nitrate and phosphate values just have to be off bc the corals I do have are brown as can be, and some have stopped growing or are growing very slowly.
Another question, if I want to speed the demise of the algae, can I just run the tank without lights for 2 to 3 days and keep treating with NO3PO4X? Do the bacteria I'm trying to grow with the carbon source need light as well?
How much NOPOX are you dosing now? I'd personally stop the sponge power , aminos and the other stuff, that stuff can be fueling the algae. Clean up any detritus accumulations you can . With zero readings for PO4 and NO3 , those might not be the source of the problem. Leds are tricky too. I see more nuisance alge on the tanks in my system run with leds at various settings vs those with halides and actinic vhos.
StevieK
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To speed up the demise of the algae ... raise Mg with Kent to 1400
The hetertrophic bacteria don't need light . They are not photosynthetic ,ie they don't convert CO2 to the organic carbon they use; they use the acetate from the acetic acid and ethanol . Light depravation may have some shorter effect on some algae but also may stress other more desirable photosynthetic orgnanisms in the tank . Personally, I don't use light depravation on a reef tank.
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amcvay1979
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I'd definitely stop dosing the sponge power until you see .02 Phosphates at a minimum. Maybe try adding some Purigen or other DOC absorbing media to catch the nutrients before the algae has a chance to use them up.
Keep up the NoPOx dosing. FWIW about 10 months ago I made a DIY NoPOx based off the spectral analysis someone posted here. What I ended up with was 60% Vinegar to 40% vodka, so 1 liter bottle, 600 ml of vinegar and 400 ml of vodka. I successfully used this mixture for months, dosed similar dosages to the NoPOx instructions and ramped up or down based on my tests for Nitrate and Phosphate.
Now I just use straight vodka and vinegar bottles on a dosing pump dosed 12 hours apart from each other in 1 large dose each. Much cheaper than buying NoPOx and completely automated with the dosing pump but you have to keep an eye on the tubing inside the vinegar as it will get cloudy and can clog, and sometimes the tube will float on top of a low bottle, so best to check them weekly. This method has kept my ULNS running for months and corals growing well.
Keep up the NoPOx dosing. FWIW about 10 months ago I made a DIY NoPOx based off the spectral analysis someone posted here. What I ended up with was 60% Vinegar to 40% vodka, so 1 liter bottle, 600 ml of vinegar and 400 ml of vodka. I successfully used this mixture for months, dosed similar dosages to the NoPOx instructions and ramped up or down based on my tests for Nitrate and Phosphate.
Now I just use straight vodka and vinegar bottles on a dosing pump dosed 12 hours apart from each other in 1 large dose each. Much cheaper than buying NoPOx and completely automated with the dosing pump but you have to keep an eye on the tubing inside the vinegar as it will get cloudy and can clog, and sometimes the tube will float on top of a low bottle, so best to check them weekly. This method has kept my ULNS running for months and corals growing well.
Nice1 Bertoni... So how would this stand with 7% vinegar? 32% less and 160ml more water? 7% is all l can get hold of.....
biom
Member
Yes, the ingredients are known, but it depends from another member of our forum to decide if, when or how will make them public. But you will be disappointed, there is nothing new, interesting or revolutionary. Not worth DIY or using it in non zeo systems. Just well known ingredients we are using from decades and plenty of water
Yes, the ingredients are known, but it depends from another member of our forum to decide if, when or how will make them public. But you will be disappointed, there is nothing new, interesting or revolutionary. Not worth DIY or using it in non zeo systems. Just well known ingredients we are using from decades and plenty of water
Thank you biom
Just wondering if i may get some help. Over the pond our vodka (cheapest is 37.5%) we can get 40% vodka but its the higher end stuff. I did make a small mix of 40% before it all got used for drinking. I need to make some up as i dosed my last lot up.
Just wonderingvwhat would be the best ratio using 37.5% and white distilled vinegar at 5%.
My tank is 625litres, params at present sit at around below 1 on nitrates and around 0.015 phosphate.
I dose 6ml of diy nopox and tank is running fine, noticed alittle cyno on 2 pieces of rock, but nothing major. Been dosing forvaround 3 weeks now. Missing only 1 day.
Any help with the ratio would be great, as using tmz i got negative water.
Just wonderingvwhat would be the best ratio using 37.5% and white distilled vinegar at 5%.
My tank is 625litres, params at present sit at around below 1 on nitrates and around 0.015 phosphate.
I dose 6ml of diy nopox and tank is running fine, noticed alittle cyno on 2 pieces of rock, but nothing major. Been dosing forvaround 3 weeks now. Missing only 1 day.
Any help with the ratio would be great, as using tmz i got negative water.
jason2459
Well-known member
FYI, Kent's Tech-M supposedly is a new formula that doesn't seem to have the contaminate that seemed to help reduce algae like bryopsis. However, Kent's new continuum product line has a mag supplement that uses the original tech-m source that may have that ingredient that people were wanting. Which worked for some and not for others but much more then other Mg products.
http://www.marinedepot.com/Continuu...s-Continuum_Aquatics-4C30524-FIADMILS-vi.html
jason2459
Well-known member
You can use this spreadsheet and adjust the 40% to 37.5% if you want.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=23783407
Hi Guys,
I have started with the TMZ recipe and currently dosing 6ml, my Nitrate has dropped from almost 50ppm to about 25ppm in just 3 days.
The RS NOPOX site claims a reduction in PO4 as well over time once certain strains of bacteria establish due to a special addition to the NOPOX and advise against the use of GFO or other PO4 absorbers.
My current PO4 is 0.11 (Hanna). Has anyone noted a PO4 reduction with the DIY NOPOX to acceptable levels or is GFO still necessary? I lost a fair bit of SPS due to dropping PO4 too quickly previously (attributed it to this as it was the only change I made) so sceptical about adding GFO.
My net water volume is 516lt any recommended GFO dosage (BRS Hi Capacity equivalent).
I have started with the TMZ recipe and currently dosing 6ml, my Nitrate has dropped from almost 50ppm to about 25ppm in just 3 days.
The RS NOPOX site claims a reduction in PO4 as well over time once certain strains of bacteria establish due to a special addition to the NOPOX and advise against the use of GFO or other PO4 absorbers.
My current PO4 is 0.11 (Hanna). Has anyone noted a PO4 reduction with the DIY NOPOX to acceptable levels or is GFO still necessary? I lost a fair bit of SPS due to dropping PO4 too quickly previously (attributed it to this as it was the only change I made) so sceptical about adding GFO.
My net water volume is 516lt any recommended GFO dosage (BRS Hi Capacity equivalent).
I am generally a fan of Red Sea stuff, and dose NOPOX daily for Nitrate control. 13 fish, moderate feeding and mainly LPS in 100 gallons I dose 8ml daily for NO3 readings around 1.0. I have never managed to use NOPOX to reduce Phosphates even though Red Sea say it will happen. I use either GFO or a synthetic equivalent in a small reactor to reduce and hold PO4 down.
I do however believe that you need to reduce Nitrates frirst to easily reduce Phosphates although a chemist may well say that is not true and I would not argue... just an unscientific observation.
What TMZ recipe are you using..? I would like to consider it given the price of NOPOX
shermanator
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Yes, the ingredients are known, but it depends from another member of our forum to decide if, when or how will make them public. But you will be disappointed, there is nothing new, interesting or revolutionary. Not worth DIY or using it in non zeo systems. Just well known ingredients we are using from decades and plenty of water
I don't remember what is in it... I have all the zeo reagents and (as you know) planned on deconvoluting their components. But... 12 months ago my wife decided we are going to move. 1 week after I put down a non refundable deposit on a new tank... I have new the tank but realtor said it couldn't be running while house is listed. Finally sold out house and bought a new one. Once we move next month and get settled I'll get back to having a tank that isn't empty. And I'll get back to the boards more.
With regard to zeo start 3, I thought you found an inorganic component, stoyan? You can share the organic component, was it just acetic acid?
Once I get settled I will reconnect via email and we can get back to it...
It's fairly common to need a bit of GFO in addition to carbon dosing (Red Sea or the DIY version). I'd just make sure not to drop the level too quickly. For 516 L, I might start with a couple of tablespoons. That's going to be very low (I tend to be very cautious), but you can double the amount every day for a bit to get to a reasonable dose. Once the output of the phosphate reactor matches the tank according to the phosphate kit, the media is shot.
The DIY formula for the Red Sea Clone:
The DIY formula for the Red Sea Clone:
To make a DIY version of Red Sea NO<sub>3</sub>O<sub>4</sub>-X, mix:
375 ml 80 proof vodka
500 ml vinegar (5% acetic acid)
125 ml RO/DI water
