I found my old stock sheet list from back in the day, thought it was gone forever. I purchased my true percs way back in April of 2002 which makes them 7-1/2 years in my tanks. The second day I had them the little male went over Niagra Falls (the overflow) and ended up getting pounded in the washing machine that is a filter sock. I have no idea how long he was in there but he was pretty beat up and I didn't think he was going to make it. I didn't think the female would have lasted this long either since she bites the hell out of me every time I stick my hand in the tank. They have made it nearly 8 years now, amazing. This pair has spawned hundreds of times over the years and still look great, they have survived earthquakes, leaking tanks, power outages, and aggressive tankmates. Heres a pic of them in their LTA in my old 180 setup before I moved it.