OMG 40 clipperton angelfish, Holocanthus limbaughi,

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15092121#post15092121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefRascals
I don't follow you at all. Sorry. It was originally stated that there were 40 fish (as noted in the title of this thread), and then it was corrected and the number became 52. No mention of any fish dying. If anything they are reproducing.

'Until the facts beak' (exactly as you quoted), please don't make any assumptions that these fish aren't being handled properly.

I will say though that when you confront someone online and state 'did you read the link', that it comes off with a high degree of insult. With 4000 posts here, you should know how it works.
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You really are taking me the wrong way. Anyone could have easily missed the link and not read it. You asked where I got my info from, and that's why I asked did you read it? I got that there were 52 caught and 40 left, so to me, it seems like a few have died from who knows what? Pretty funny you think they are reproducing though, for the first time in captivity in a matter of a month or so? That is a definitely false comment, but you are entitled to your own opinion. I can have my own opinion and assumption until facts break as well, isn't that what this whole site is about? Exchanging opinions? Also, I stated that "it doesn't sound like they are being taken cared for" didn't say they weren't, so there was no 100% fact to my statement. All someone had to do was to maturely say that they were and why, not get an attitude. Also, since when do posts count for anything? No race or battle here. Time to drop this pointless discussion with you.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15096357#post15096357 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefRascals
And yes, I do indeed have collection and husbandry experience with the Clipperton angel. Thanks for asking.
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So you've caught a clipperton angel before? I thought that was illegal. Isn't there only 1 in captivity? Care to share details with us? Have any pics etc?
 
George Carlins advice

George Carlins advice

A fish collecting Australian lurker was reading this thread and sent me a link of George Carlin on the development of eco-psychology , concern about threats to the planet and other issues closely related to this thread..
I thought some of you would really enjoy it. I did and it got me thinking again.
Here it is!

Steve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOOc...nealz_nuze/index.html&feature=player_embedded
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15096357#post15096357 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefRascals
TERRA FERMA - It wasn't I who said 12 of the fish passed on... just to be clear. And yes, I do indeed have collection and husbandry experience with the Clipperton angel. Thanks for asking.
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Yea I know you do - my questions were directed at DamPepShrimp.
 
environmentalism

environmentalism

I guess when environmentalism became a mainstream product in a corporate culture instead of a passion and a belief system....something got lost.

Kinda like too many xerox copies.
McDonalds and Walmart and Packard lead the way now with the slicker ad campaigns and corporate responsibility papers. The young will grow up on this stuff and it will have an effect on their thinking.
No wonder many people have developed a selective, knee jerk response to the issues now instead of a more heart felt, deep seated philosophy.

I miss Carlin too. He got really cool in the end and died too quick.
Stevew
 
Steve, I dont understand what you are trying to say. What "philosophy" are you trying to enlighten todays youth with? Especially how it pertains to teh topic of this thread? Im getting dizzy.

Jake- Its Rat kangaroos, not kangaroo rats- get it straight sucka.
 
There will be no immediate update on the fish. USFW said that the case could be pending for months, a year even.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15276623#post15276623 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cortez marine
We may well be able to adjust the error and come in with a new batch before then.
Steve
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Good news!!!!:D
 
I thought from the closure of the thread that just brought them up that this one would have been locked as well. I must have missed this entire episode but I did a quick search to figure out what happened. I found all of this interesting on a very deep level although I must confess I had to push myself to get through some of the muck.

From what I can gather from nine pages:

Basically these beautiful fish were caught and imported to the US and confiscated because they were mislabeled as Holocanthus passer. There true name would have sufficed because they are not illegal to obtain. Misc fish would have been appropriate as well.

And from the closed thread that none of these fish survived. How sad? Where was this information released? I didn't see another thread regarding Clipperton Angels in the search results.

Did USFWS rule that the collector was in the wrong and fined? Was anything else other than the name 'wrong' involving the shipment? Were the fish dead before they even ruled on the case? Will another import be attempted as it seems there are no legal snags and it is only a matter of footing a rather large bill to getting to Clipperton Atoll and then returning with the fish?

I apologize in advance if this thread should have remained buried but I hope it doesn't get locked. At least not before my questions are answered as curious minds want to know...
 
Happy you searched for the thread. Many of us want to know the rest of the story and especially why the fish died? No need to start pointing fingers at people. Just the facts no opinions. T
 
Guys,
Since the authorities took most of the fish directly from the airport shipment, we certainly have no more knowledge or news of them.
Where did those fish go?
Did some die as rumor suggest?
We don't know.
Steve
 
"Since the authorities took most of the fish directly from the airport shipment, we certainly have no more knowledge or news of them."

Most of the fish?

~Michael
 
I'm sure something like this has happened before with this species. I remember reading an account of an amateur radio enthusiast expedition (DX-ers) in which a reference to a tropical fish collector was made. Again, IIRC all the fish collected were lost (I think due to a temperature problem in the holding tanks).

For Gods sake, please just leave these fish in the ocean.

Anyone attempting to import or keep this species for private gain should think of how many dead fish it has taken for it to happen and be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
 
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clippo said:
I'm sure something like this has happened before with this species. I remember reading an account of an amateur radio enthusiast expedition (DX-ers) in which a reference to a tropical fish collector was made. Again, IIRC all the fish collected were lost (I think due to a temperature problem in the holding tanks).

For Gods sake, please just leave these fish in the ocean.

Anyone attempting to import or keep this species for private gain should think of how many dead fish it has taken for it to happen and be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
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Its not like all owners couldn't have given the fish a reasonably decent captive life. If one day limbaughis were to be a common import then we'd all look back to these threads.
Much has been sacrificed in the name of progress (espeically scientific endeavours - ie. sending dogs to space... maybe you should so go shame some cosmonauts). Get off your high horse, your false sense of moral superiority isn't going anyone any good
 
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