OMG, Whats going on here.....

nudifun

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I came home from work yesterday to discover a few of my fish hiding and all of my coral sucked in and/or looking miserable. Specifically my small colony of Acropora (3" high - one branch). Which had gone from a beautiful blue and purple with tiny bright green polyps to a ghost white with tiny black spots where the polyps used to be. Some of the polyp heads are hollow and you can see right to the bottom, indicating that there is no polyp inside. Others had little black dots where they used to be. The top half of the frag is the whitest white I have ever seen, while the bottom half is a algaeish pale green.
Literally the night before the colony was thriving, I had never seen its polyps as vivid and spread out before and it never looked more colorful, and 20 hours later it was a ghost. My other SPS's do not look great but they are not doing any bleaching what so ever. My Montipora (3" encrusting) looks normal except most of its polyps are not out. My Birdsnest colony (6" diameter) is also normal except its polyps are closed or pressed tightly against its body. My LPS's are all pretty much sucked in or shriveled up to some degree. My Zoa's are still normal and open but my Xenia is shriveled up and my mushrooms are doing that weird thing where they wrap their body around their mouth and kinda resemble an onion. My motile inverts are active and normal. While my Maxima clam is closed up and coco worm are not out. I have not done anything different to the tank and my parameters are excellent (LFS words not mine). Any ideas?

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: <5
Phosphate: 0.02
Salinity: 1.024
PH: 8.1
Alk: 9
Ca: 420
Mag: 1360
Tank: 55 gallon 48x20x13 Diy - drilled for 2x1" returns and 2x1" drains (on back glass) with custom overflow (1400 max gph), 80lbs of live sand, 80lbs of live rock.
Sump: 20 gallon long Diy - acrylic partitions w/ bubble trap, three sections - drains into fuge, then on to skimming an UV, then to trap and return.
Dosing: I does daily amounts (if needed) of CA,ALK,Ma,Acropower,Trace Elements, Strontium
Feeding: frozen mysis,brine,spirulina,cylops, and squid once a day sparingly and spot fed.
Equip: ASM G1 Protein Skimmer - mesh mod, pump upgrade (sedra 3500), Recirc mod, Gate valve, diffuser plate mod, 2x ViaAqua 200w heaters, 2 x hydor 740gph return pumps (one for each return), 20lbs of live rock, 5" DSB, Calurpa, Chaeto and Dragon's Breath in the Fuge, Coralife Twist 9w UV sterilizer, Wavepoint 48" T5HO 4-Bulb 216w Fixture with 2x12k (brand new) and 2xActinic (brand new) bulbs. Exocotic 48" blue stunner strip for moonlight, 2xVortech MP10w.
Stock: Starry Blenny, True Percula, Yellow Assessor, Helrichi Firefish, Orange-Spotted Watchman, Tiger Pistol Shrimp, Skunk Cleaner, Peppermint, Emerald Crab, Maxima Clam ( 3.5", Coco Worm, 2xfighting Conch, 2 Hermits, 4 Turbos, 4 Ceriths, 6 Nassarius, 2x Astrea, Harlequin Shrimp, electric flame scallop.
Coral: SPS, LPS, Soft (varied amounts of each)

*Could the light be doing this? The fish hiding may be unrelated, because they have since stopped acting weird and are eating normally.
 

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I forgot to mention i also run Chemi-Pure Elite (have for months without issue, just cyrstal clear water) and Purigen to get what skimming cannot.
 
did that, checked and cleaned everything, did a large water change and checked my levels myself and had the LFS do it.
 
If you havent changed anything then i would be inclined to say stray voltage as well. Doesnt seem like any reading are out of normal range.
 
Heater.....hmmmmmm I did notice the other week that my tank temp was 84 degrees for no explainable reason.......hmmmmmm
 
no chemicals around the tank....thats my policy. sump is closed up under stand and the tank has a lid on the display.
 
What do you guys think about it being the light fixture? I mean the livestock doesn't seem to be effected.most were acting normal, a few were hiding but that could be unrelated. Considering the bleaching and all the coral was shriveled up. Yet the inverts who are not photosynthetic, i.e. all but the clam, remain unaffected. I think it may have to do with the light.
The problem is, I just put brand new bulbs in a couple weeks ago and the tank has been fine since. Also, should there not be a symptom that the bulbs would be acting up? I mean like turning off and back on or flickering, or something....anything other than normal appearing operation.
I know someones got some t5 experience out there, right?

Fixture: 48"Wavepoint T5HO 4 bulb 2 x 12k & 2 x Actinic 216w (non adjustable) (stock)
*fixture was purchased used.
 
Change in heat. Only that or a death of something toxic (but no ammonia) could cause death that quickly. I'll bet on the heat swing.
 
For a while, all of my corals looked really crappy. I couldn't figure out why. I ran all the tests, water change etc. Etc.

Then I happened to find some old aquarium thermometers while cleaning. Long story short, the built in temp display on my heater was like 10 degrees high. It was one of the first pieces of equipment so I never really thought about it after sticking it in the sump. I mean its just a heater, right? It seems like everything else is in check so my guess would be something happened with your temp
 
For a while, all of my corals looked really crappy. I couldn't figure out why. I ran all the tests, water change etc. Etc.

Then I happened to find some old aquarium thermometers while cleaning. Long story short, the built in temp display on my heater was like 10 degrees high. It was one of the first pieces of equipment so I never really thought about it after sticking it in the sump. I mean its just a heater, right? It seems like everything else is in check so my guess would be something happened with your temp

Both heater have there own inline thermometer attached to it (each in a different section of the sump. I also have a simple (digital) thermometeer in the display. They all read the same temp so I know they are working on telling me the temp. I have only seen the temp in the tank swing up to 84 once and I think it was from one of the heaters crapping out. I have since removed it.

I really believe the light is the culprit here, just don't know why that is.
 
**Update - So I changed the lighting schedule yesterday morning to only 4 hours total on time. came home to discover the fish fine but all the coral was still sickly. I looked closely at my birdsnest (because it seems to effect the SPS the hardest) and I noticed that his tips where ghostly white. The Monitpora was the same with little edges of white beginning to show on its surface closest to the light source. It is definitely the light. The question is WHAT ABOUT THE LUIGHT IS DOING THIS!!! I put an old light on the tank (one thats half the size and wattage) and i will see the results when I get home. I just don't understand how or why the fixture is doing this.
 
Your light isn't going to make coral die overnight. If it was me, I wouldn't mess with the light. A few water changes should be the plan of attack.
 
Both heater have there own inline thermometer attached to it (each in a different section of the sump. I also have a simple (digital) thermometeer in the display. They all read the same temp so I know they are working on telling me the temp. I have only seen the temp in the tank swing up to 84 once and I think it was from one of the heaters crapping out. I have since removed it.

I really believe the light is the culprit here, just don't know why that is.

Ahh ok in that case I guess the temp is ruled out. Hmm this is interesting...I'm stumped because everything else seems spot on. I don't have any ideas about the lighting either.

A 216 watt 48 in t5 fixture seems very reasonable for your tank. What kind of bulbs were you running before you switched to the brand new ones? And what kind of bulbs were the new ones? Sorry if you mentioned this already, but did you notice the decline after making the bulb switch? If so, maybe it was too rapid of am increase in intensity or maybe a shift in spectrum(just speculating on this one)
 
I don't think it's your lights either. Exactly how much are you dosing and how often is "as needed?
Also, how often are you testing?
 
Food for thought...

How can you possibly determine it IS the lighting, if you dont know how or why?



How many times have you tested the water since this started?
Have you tested for stray voltage?
Any chance yours our your neighbors yard has been sprayed for weeds or bugs lately?
How long was the tank at 84, and what steps did you take to remediate?

Also, you might be able to rule out the heater being defective, but 84 is quite high. Temps that high can cause some some serious damage, especially if it was a quick swing.
I may have missed it I do not believe you posted current or average temp.

I still would not rule out the temperature swing, stray voltage, or chemicals having an effect on this.

Good luck,
 
I would think heat as well. You said you measure temp with a digital thermometer? I've heard of some of these not being accurate. If it was off by two degrees making the tank 86 which is deadly to sensitive sps especially if it was rapid.
 
+1 on heat issue.... I would run carbon in case there was some kind of contamination. Stop gfo as well if you are running it. Wait.
 
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