ORA -vs FHI coral problems?

[organism]

Well lets see- where do corals from ORA came from????? originally and still from maricultured or wild sps/
This statement is so naive IMO.

Yes perhaps ORA corals have a longer track record as tank raised and so forth but ultimately where do you think every "new" ORA frag comes from???

Yep you guessed it maricultured or wild-- unless ORA found a place in space that grows them.

Fishheads SPS are no different than any other "aquacultured" sps they came from the ocean and will be developed in time as aqaucultured.

Unfortunately that is incorrect. ORA pieces are brought in wild, then through hard work are farmed and that's how you end up with 1,000 captive raised frags that are identical. The process takes a lot of work, time and dedication.

FHI frags are brought in most commonly as maricultured colonies primarily from Bali and Indonesia along with a few wild colonies. They are fragged, attached to their version of "plugs", allowed to encrust and then sold. They are not "aquacultured" in that there is zero actual farming taking place, they are "aqua-encrusted", which is a huge difference. This is why FHI frags have always, and will always, have a much lower survival rate than ORA frags.

 

[rogerwilco357]

I've had both and the corals are always huge from fish heads and hearty and on the smaller side from ORA but equally as resilient corals love both ..

 

[gasman059]

Unfortunately that is incorrect. ORA pieces are brought in wild, then through hard work are farmed and that's how you end up with 1,000 captive raised frags that are identical. The process takes a lot of work, time and dedication.

FHI frags are brought in most commonly as maricultured colonies primarily from Bali and Indonesia along with a few wild colonies. They are fragged, attached to their version of "plugs", allowed to encrust and then sold. They are not "aquacultured" in that there is zero actual farming taking place, they are "aqua-encrusted", which is a huge difference. This is why FHI frags have always, and will always, have a much lower survival rate than ORA frags.

Not incorrect , the post is quite simple since all corals at some point in time where in the ocean correct.

Now skimming thru my post ("Fishheads SPS are no different than any other "aquacultured" sps they came from the ocean and will be developed in time as aqaucultured")

Now ORA has a longer track record ( true)thus what you post-- but if you have access at FHI list at some point in time you noticed that for example the "sour apple seriatopora" has been offered for 3-4 years, and unless there's an endless supply of that sps in the ocean and willing to bet that that piece as well as many others are being "aquacultured".

So what's incorrect are statements like this "that there is zero actual farming taking place"

Now I dont have first hand experience with their facility but stating that means that every time a FHI frag comes out IT WOULD BE different in every aspect, and that is not the case.

Same with Liveaquaria DFS frags are being aquacultured just like ORA is, the difference here is the timeframe for each( ie 5 years of fragging
( aquaculture) vs 20 years) and their facilities.

HTH

 

[organism]

Now ORA has a longer track record ( true)thus what you post-- but if you have access at FHI list at some point in time you noticed that for example the "sour apple seriatopora" has been offered for 3-4 years, and unless there's an endless supply of that sps in the ocean and willing to bet that that piece as well as many others are being "aquacultured".

Yes, to be clear you can order the "sour apple seriatopora" via transhipped maricultured colonies from bali. There is almost literally an endless supply of them. Every SPS frag they sell is readily available in nearly limitless amounts from mariculture facilities, which is why they can keep fragging them and still have the "same" frags. It's not about a longer or shorter track record, it's just these are the facts.

Now I dont have first hand experience with their facility.

You can either take my word on it or not, but it's not going to make what I'm saying any less correct. I'm sorry, I wish they were farming all their acros, and I really wish you were right because I loathe arguing, but they're not, and that's just the way it is. By all means get some first-hand experience, talk to their ex-employees, and then we'll be on the same page.

Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative at all so please don't take it that way. Believe me, nowadays I steer clear of threads that a-bomb, but what they're doing I find pretty unethical so it was worth the headache of posting. I'm not clicking back in this thread though so feel free to pm me if you feel the need, but please stop saying what they are and aren't doing until you know first-hand, because what they're actually doing is not right.

 

[stevejrnc]

Umm ora and fish heads are very differnt companies
I'm have been working in the lfs biz a while and slowy starting
my own ac type sale's site
nothing against Fhi but they are not a true ac facility I do like them

to be fair they should not be compaired to ora

they do have some ac stuff but are mainly a wild cut and maricultered
wholesaler

Ora's main focus is cultering corals

 

[gasman059]

Yes, to be clear you can order the "sour apple seriatopora" via transhipped maricultured colonies from bali. There is almost literally an endless supply of them. Every SPS frag they sell is readily available in nearly limitless amounts from mariculture facilities, which is why they can keep fragging them and still have the "same" frags. It's not about a longer or shorter track record, it's just these are the facts.



You can either take my word on it or not, but it's not going to make what I'm saying any less correct. I'm sorry, I wish they were farming all their acros, and I really wish you were right because I loathe arguing, but they're not, and that's just the way it is. By all means get some first-hand experience, talk to their ex-employees, and then we'll be on the same page.

Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative at all so please don't take it that way. Believe me, nowadays I steer clear of threads that a-bomb, but what they're doing I find pretty unethical so it was worth the headache of posting. I'm not clicking back in this thread though so feel free to pm me if you feel the need, but please stop saying what they are and aren't doing until you know first-hand, because what they're actually doing is not right.

No first hand experience myself, with their practices and so forth.
Thx for your clarification I guess I would be loosing this bet!
'unless there's an endless supply of that sps in the ocean and willing to bet that that piece as well as many others are being "aquacultured""



Take care and happy reefing.

 

[chilwil84]

if you read there web site they do both. some stuff is entirely captive grown while others are cut up wild/maricultered. if they were false advertising i would bet ora or someone would be taking them to court. i have 4 fhi pieces, my milli 6 months later is finally showing promise but the other 3 have done great from the beginning.

 

[2006]

I am pretty sure I have some Fishheads in my tank from the LFS. All of mine were encrusted frags from the stores mini-colony, essentially aqua cultured at the LFS. I have had good luck with these.