Ostrow's Tank thread

If you're going to let the tank go without acros for a few months you can put the birds nest back it's not an acro, if it's a ponape it's a seriatopa and not on their menu. It may have a stray flatworm or 2 but it's safe from them.
Nice work Efrain.
Joel I know what you're going through fought them twice, the 2nd time I did an in tank treatment. I didn't think you'd go for it as it requires adding a flatworm killer at a higher than normal level. It was a one time shot, used a lot of carbon then a water change.
I wonder if that bug killer would do anything to the aefw but I think that was a dip not in tank.
 
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The bug killer is definitely not in-tank.

What flatworm killer did you use? I've heard that flatworm exit even at 4x the box strength is no good. If you are more comfortable emailing me, that would be great.
 
Oh yeah ... birdsnest is seriotopa. Duh.

Efrain, I'll get that back from you when I return!
 
ostrow said:
Oh yeah ... birdsnest is seriotopa. Duh.

Efrain, I'll get that back from you when I return!
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LOL. I thought I was missing something there. Id like to know more about your flatworm exit treatment sullyman. Don't mean to hijack but I believe its on topic.
 
I just watched a video that showed Flatworm Exit killing a AEFW. Heck even if it stuns them off the acro and into the water column at least the wrasses will get a quick treat. Watching that video of the camel shrimp I don't see it eating a AEFW unless I am blind.
 
My system is roughly 250g and I used 4 bottles of flatworm exit, left it in for 6 hrs. I made a rod carbon bucket. After 6 hrs ran the carbon for an hour, then did a 20% w/c.
I'm not advising anyone else to try this, maybe I was lucky. To me it made sense though that there could be a lethal ingrediant in FE that isn't at a lethal dose for AEFWs if dosed by directions, when dosed at the larger amount there was of something that killed the worms in my tank. It was tough on the coral but I only lost pieces that the worms had really gotten to. All fish clams non acro corals were fine, acros suffered some tissue loss but most came out fine.
Again this worked for me but I can't advise it, every system is different.
 
Actually the person that I knew did it used an even higher dose level, he was successful too but had more tissue damage from the FWE. Run the skimmer without air, make sure all water in system is treated. You can run the skimmer again after the water change.
 
1 treatment and I haven't seen any AEFW since, so it must have killed the eggs too.
I had so many boxes of FWE, ended up trading them in at an lfs.
 
Interesting. Hard to think they'd get the eggs but one could always do 2 treatments 6days apart.

Others strongly recommend camel shrimp/dancing shrimp. And a cosmetus wrasse. These are experienced folks who have seen both eat the worms and the eggs. Problem is -- it's always hit or miss with individual animals.
 
Sullyman: curious here ... are there any threads on this FWE approach? I just want to read more. If not, could you PM others you know who have done it to see if it's ok for me to PM them, or have them PM/email me?

That is a TON of Flatworm Exit, and I'm hesitant to subject my reef to that without doing some more poking.
 
Joel the other person is no longer in the hobby. I can't provide you with others to talk to about it. Facing basicly what you were, I took a leap of faith, and it worked. I treated 5 xs the normal dose, the other person went 12 times. Like I said I was hesitant to bring it up, you could always pick up a bottle and try an extended dip at the 5x level on a piece that has them, eggs too if possible, and see how the coral and the pests are after 6 hrs.
It's a heck of a perdicament to be in and with your trip in just a couple days, wish I could be more help but that may end up being after the fact.
 
Oh, don't take me wrong. I am sure you did what you describe and that it worked.

I'm just hoping to discover a larger N. Same thing with the camel shrimp/cosmetus wrasse.

I don't believe everything will be gone 2 weeks from now. So I'll deal when I get back. And Efrain is trying to hold some large frags for me. One way or another. I may actually do both -- big FWE then add the shrimp and wrasse.

May I ask, how long ago was it that you did the big FWE treatment?
 
Joel it has to be 3-4 years ago, no recurrance since. I had the clear ones like you, hard to see. The brown ones are just as bad but you can see them.
Have a safe trip
 
Yeah, but there were a bunch of clear-ish ones too. The brown ones are the large ones, really big for AEFW.

Bob -- one more question -- do you have a DSB or did you when you did the FWE treatment? Because, I have one in the display and in the fuge.
 
Joel I have a plenum with 4-6" coarse substrate covered by about zero to 2" of finer sand. It didn't bother the bed in my display or my fuge. I made one of Rod's carbon buckets and had a few lbs. of carbon on hand. Figured if things started looking bad, I'd pull the plug and run the carbon then do a water change. I was able to wait the 6 hrs out. I was mainly watching my fish and they seemed fine all through the treatment. Coral slimed up a bit, a few slimed a lot. Afterward some had some tissue damage but didn't lose any corals that weren't on their last legs.
The problem is finding the right dose, every tank is different, even ones the same size. Different amounts of rock and sand and how much they take out of the water column and away from the worms. I think that going the full 6 hrs gives you the best chance of killing the eggs, it may get absorbed enough over that period to kill the eggs.
 
I used Revive and its really almost a clear solution and according to the website Its formula is based on plant extracts, not iodine.
 
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