Ostrow's Tank thread
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FiReBReTHa
Master Blaster!
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ITS VERRRRRY hard to balance, you guys should see me at home, I run around like crazy.
then wifey cornered me into snapping photos of the little guy, then doc appt soon, but when I get back home
back to editing.
ostrow
It's Dr. Goodluck Himself
I'm not 100% convinced, and in any event I'm not concerned. The crazy growth and color don't suggest anything is wrong in the tank. I've always been with Menard on this that these things while sometimes present are not necessarily bad or warrant eliminating all the inverts in a tank to deal with.
I've never detected one, even so. Rick, let me know what you see in other photos, as well, if you don't mind.
Anyone who's received acro frags from me (including you, Rick) ... apologies if there are red bugs and that bothers you. Going forward I'll be sure to give fair warning that they may be present.
I've never detected one, even so. Rick, let me know what you see in other photos, as well, if you don't mind.
Anyone who's received acro frags from me (including you, Rick) ... apologies if there are red bugs and that bothers you. Going forward I'll be sure to give fair warning that they may be present.
cet98
"feed ur reef...feed it!"
bug free here
ostrow
It's Dr. Goodluck Himself
I think I explained why I don't "step up" as you put it. I'm of the mind that the "cure" does more harm than good. I'm not saying they aren't there, though I'd like to see some of the other close-ups first to be sure ... the yellow coral is not the one in focus in that shot. Even so, going on the assumption that it is red bugs, the only way to treat them would be interceptor on the whole system. The effect that would have would be massively destabilizing ... certainly for my mandarin, for example.
Plus, I don't see compelling evidence that there is, in fact, a problem. Menard's system never suffered. My system shows no sign of distress or suffering, not for growth, not for coloration, not for polyp extension.
No coral has been added to my system for months. Not since around October.
The only reason anyone would have to be "a lot more than bothered" as you put it would be if I had known there were red bugs in my system and I didn't reveal it. Going forward, I'll always let people know.
I'd have no reason not to. Ever since seeing Menard's and Rod's corals I've been of the position that these things aren't a threat on their own. Until I see any evidence to suggest otherwise, I'll "step up" and let give fair warning to people getting corals from me. But I have no plans to take any drastic action without reason.
Now, getting a pipefish or two might be fun... got to research that.
Plus, I don't see compelling evidence that there is, in fact, a problem. Menard's system never suffered. My system shows no sign of distress or suffering, not for growth, not for coloration, not for polyp extension.
No coral has been added to my system for months. Not since around October.
The only reason anyone would have to be "a lot more than bothered" as you put it would be if I had known there were red bugs in my system and I didn't reveal it. Going forward, I'll always let people know.
I'd have no reason not to. Ever since seeing Menard's and Rod's corals I've been of the position that these things aren't a threat on their own. Until I see any evidence to suggest otherwise, I'll "step up" and let give fair warning to people getting corals from me. But I have no plans to take any drastic action without reason.
Now, getting a pipefish or two might be fun... got to research that.
ostrow
It's Dr. Goodluck Himself
AEFW kill corals. Those have to be treated right away. If I ever saw those, I'd treat the tank. Two different animals (literally).
Anyway, as I said I have no reason not to inform recipients of corals from me. I don't sell corals, and will always give full disclosure. Nobody is ever obligated to take free corals from me.
Not sure what the waste of time is, either. I'm glad to know there may be red bugs so I can inform people (as I've been doing) who get or have gotten pieces from me. I recognize that most are like you, Sullyman, in that they instantly nuke their tanks on first sight. I choose not to take that step of obliterating all the other life in the system when there's no evidence of any harm being done. There are many approaches to the reefkeeping hobby, and legitimate arguments for both approaches to red bugs.
Anyway, as I said I have no reason not to inform recipients of corals from me. I don't sell corals, and will always give full disclosure. Nobody is ever obligated to take free corals from me.
Not sure what the waste of time is, either. I'm glad to know there may be red bugs so I can inform people (as I've been doing) who get or have gotten pieces from me. I recognize that most are like you, Sullyman, in that they instantly nuke their tanks on first sight. I choose not to take that step of obliterating all the other life in the system when there's no evidence of any harm being done. There are many approaches to the reefkeeping hobby, and legitimate arguments for both approaches to red bugs.
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I agree with this statement- There are other approaches you can take with red bugs, I know in other Forums I've read members having red bugs and there tanks are in great shape and coloration is outstanding. I don't understand why it's a big deal yeah your spending tons of cash but thats the risk you take in this hobby. Sullyman I also don't understand why you had to ruin this guy Thread by pointing out Red Bugs? I think that was pretty rude:thumbdown of you. But hey what do I know i'm just a reefer just like you.
I apologize for my statement- Yes it is important to point out, I just though this could have been done thru PM instead of making it public.
ostrow
It's Dr. Goodluck Himself
mmmmm.... bacon.....
NewSchool04
New member
I'm not flaming here, just adding my experience with red bugs.
A couple of years ago I treated for them with no ill affects on my tank (that I could tell) knowing that I was going to wipe out certain life. I found that within a couple of weeks my pod population seemed to be where it was before and fortunately no other deaths to report besides the red bugs.
What I did notice after treatment was the corals that seemed to be heavily infected, and yes red bugs do like certain types of acros more than others, were much more colorful and polyp extension was enhanced. I think the problem with red bugs is they gang up on particular corals and those are the ones that take the brunt of the attack. I've never seen red bugs kill an acro, just stress them to the point where it is noticeable that they are struggling. Maybe in a tank that is not quiet mature or having other problems, the bugs could ultimately stress the acro to the point of death, I don't know.
If ostrow has red bugs and decides to treat or not treat, that is totally his decision. If he does have them, the problems lay in the future. ostrow has a great reputation for being very generous, what will happen when he needs to trim his corals? Is he responsible to make sure all his acros are bug free or does that responsibility fall to the receiver who is also aware of the issue? What if the receiver doesn't treat and they then turn around and trade/sell to other reefers without being as upfront as ostrow?
It's a tough situation.
A couple of years ago I treated for them with no ill affects on my tank (that I could tell) knowing that I was going to wipe out certain life. I found that within a couple of weeks my pod population seemed to be where it was before and fortunately no other deaths to report besides the red bugs.
What I did notice after treatment was the corals that seemed to be heavily infected, and yes red bugs do like certain types of acros more than others, were much more colorful and polyp extension was enhanced. I think the problem with red bugs is they gang up on particular corals and those are the ones that take the brunt of the attack. I've never seen red bugs kill an acro, just stress them to the point where it is noticeable that they are struggling. Maybe in a tank that is not quiet mature or having other problems, the bugs could ultimately stress the acro to the point of death, I don't know.
If ostrow has red bugs and decides to treat or not treat, that is totally his decision. If he does have them, the problems lay in the future. ostrow has a great reputation for being very generous, what will happen when he needs to trim his corals? Is he responsible to make sure all his acros are bug free or does that responsibility fall to the receiver who is also aware of the issue? What if the receiver doesn't treat and they then turn around and trade/sell to other reefers without being as upfront as ostrow?
It's a tough situation.
NewSchool04
New member
If red bugs tasted like bacon, everyone would want them!
