PC vs. T-5's

papagimp

COMAS Rocks!
I keep hearing people recommending t-5's over PC's so I took a look through the multitude of magazine ad's and websites that I browse. It seems all the t-5's I find are low wattage, at least lower than the PC's I find. What kind of wattage do I need to be looking at to replace a 260 watt Power Compact fixture in a LPS tank, if going to T-5's?
 
You would want a T5 that spans the length of your tank. According to the Current Tanks: in your signature, you are look at 46.5" 54w T5 High Outputs. The thing that really differentiates Normal Output T8 (NO), Power Compact (PC), T12 High Output (VHO), and T5 High Output (T5) is light intensity. This normally has a direct relationship with the amount of wattage that is used. But, in the case of T5s, the Parabolic Reflectors are what really makes this a superior lighting system. In addition to their high intensity in conjuction with the reflector, they are thinner, run cooler, and relatively cheap. And, with most flourescent lighting systems, they can be bought a piece at a time. This is really important to people like me that like to save a buck. Most likely you can make corals radioactive with (4) 54w T5s [216 total watts] versus the (4) 65w PCs [260 total watts]. In fact, for lots of soft corals and LPS, there is a chance that (4) 54w T5s might be too bright without proper placement and care for a 55g tank. Yet, you'll have difficulty keeping SPS under PC lighting. (not that it can't be done, the growth just isn't amazing.)
 
I agree that 4 55w T5s will look amazing. I managed to smush 5 above my 55g tank. But that was planned ahead of time when I built my canopy.

About why you can do better with less wattage in T5s then more watts in PC, VHO, etc. A big deal about this is simply the reflectors. With PCs & VHO, you end up wasting a lot of light due to inability to reflect light properly into the tank. Since T5s are so small, however, you can afford to surround them with good reflectors. You end up using a lot more of your light produced to shine into the tank.

I love them. I believe they produce more usuable light then PC or VHO. They use less power. They run cooler. They don't have to be replaced as often. Good stuff!
 
I think what he was saying is:

There are Normal ouput T5's and HO T5's.

I had wondered the same thing myself in the past.

Steve
 
Yes they can be used for SPS and they do quite a good job if you have the right color combo and amount of lighting. The second to last meeting, the guy (VCoo7? I can't remember who. I've got a lot of medicine in me right now) had 4x 5ft bulbs on a 180g tank. He had a few SPS in a predominately Softy and LPS tank. He didn't have spectacular growth, but they were alive and doing well. But that is only a little bit of light on a deep tank. He could definitely fit 6 bulbs, if not 8 in his canopy if he truly wanted to.

The biggest problem with T5's is that they are flourescents. And ALl flourescents don't penetrate very well. If you want good light intensity on a deep tank, you're going to need metal halides. If you're looking for adequate lighting on a deep tank, than T5's are perfect. VHOs can be difficult, and PCs are almost right out. And by deep, I mean 24"-30"+
 
can I use a parabolic t-5 style reflector with PC bulbs?, I'm not to concerned with depth penetration as of yet, more with giving the LPS that I have the correct lighting in order to thrive in my 55 gallon.
 
I think you are going to have trouble finding a parabolic reflector manufactured to fit a PC bulb. (from what I know)

SPS and T5s: I have some Montipora digitata, Montipora capriconis, and some Pavona in my tank. I just place them as high up as possible. And they seem to be growing fine. Now, I don't have much frame of reference, as I have never had a tank with MH bulbs. But I think it does demonstrate that SPS WILL work under T5.

Of course, this might be time to comment that generalizing "SPS corals" as all being super high light requiring beasts is the real problem here. There is quite a variation of requirements of different corals, from SPS to LPS to Softies. In reality, these terms are ONLY morphilogical indicators -- they only indicate the GENERAL shape, form, and structure of the corals in question.

Don't get sucked too deep into the stereotypes about these different types of corals.
 
so if it's the reflector that makes such a difference in the bulb types, then if I found a T-5 setup without a parabolic reflector that would make it no better than a PC set up, correct?
Any suggestion finding a cheap T-5 equipment?websites? ect...
 
Close. T5s even without the reflector are pretty powerful. If not slightly more powerful than PCs.

www.aqualuxlighting.com is going out of business and has some pretty good prices right now. www.reefgeek.com has some good prices as well. There is a small chance that the ballasts that you are currently running might be able to run T5s as well. Workhorse Ballasts run a variety of bulbs. I don't remember if PCs were included.
 
Actually, the tip on Workhorse ballasts is a good one for a retrofit T5 supplies. They are great ballasts for a lot less money then some of the fancy (icecap) ballasts available.
 
power compacts are better than t-5's without a doubt. forget what looks brighter, t-5's are ok, but power compacts produce a better spectrum, generally last longer, and are cheaper in the end. coralife pc bulbs are better than current pc bulbs. power compacts have more output than vho's. and t-5's don't even compare to vho's actinic blue or overall output. so don't waste your money on t-5's it's a sham. sorry for the capslock...not really
 
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SORRY FOR THE CAPSLOCK...NOT REALLY

Not a problem. I fixed it for you.
 
I think Ovaltine has been smoking something, I have never seen a high light SPS under PC's that thrived. I have seen VHO's do well and VCOO71 has the link above for T5 SPS tank.
 
I have to agree, Snprhed. I've seen many tanks with PCs and T5s. I've also ran a few tanks with PCs of various grades. I haven't owned a T5 (Yet), but the intensity of the light is far greater than a power compact. I would like to see a VHO with a parabolic reflector though. But VHO's run so hot, it might not be worth it (hot compared to other flourescent bulbs, not Metal Halides)
 
T5 Myths
by Paul Thompson

1. T5s don't produce as good of a spectrum as other bulbs such as PC - and the Actinic suck
This lovely tidbit USED to be true. But you know what? It also used to be true about PC, VHO, NO flourescents and EVEN probably Metal Hallide bulbs. This used to be true about ALL of these lighting sources when they were more immature technologies. Sure, when you come out with a new type of bulb (as was true with T5 a couple of years ago) they INDEED don't come in as wide of spectrums, etc. However, the technology has matured. You can now get T5 in just as good of spectrums as everything else.

2. PCs last longer then T5s
This is a joke. Average recommendation, from my research and learning over the past year is that PC should be replaced every 12 months. And T5? The lumens of a T5 will last as much as 14-18 months.

3. PC are cheaper in the End, then T5
Ok. I have a 55G tank at home. I managed to squish a grand total of 5 T5 bulbs above the tank. For PC, I would have been doing probably 4, bulbs. At straight cost, saying I replace the PC once a year and the T5 once every 18 months, then I'd have the following bulb costs:

   55/65W 10000K Daylight Powercompact : 2 x 21.95 = 43.90
   55/65W (Any Actinic) Powercompact : 2 x 21.95 = 43.90
   Total for One Set = 87.80
   Total for 3 Years Worth = 263.40

   54W 10000K AquaSun T5 HO Fluorescent : 3 x 21.95 = 65.85
   54W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent : 2 x 21.95 = 43.90
   Total for One Set = 109.75
   Total for 3 Years Worth = 219.5

Wait, can that be? LESS money for the T5s? No way? And THAT is if I buy the more expensive ones at Reefgeek. I got mine at a much better price on DoctorsFosterSmith.com for about $15 a piece. (Not that I want to send people away from Reefgeek - I love them. They always toss a mini-snickers or something in with my reef goodies... :) )

And if we get into the cost of the fixtures... You'll have to pay a little TINY bit more as you have to buy an extra reflector and an extra set of endcaps. So we are talking about $30 more there for the T5 setup.

Now, that may not be true as most PC hoods I know are driven with IceCap ballasts, not workhorse (which I can do with T5 and costs substantially less). And they also require cooling fans, etc, which are going to add to the cost.

So, sum it all up, and you aren't going to pay much more at all more, if any, to setup T5. And you'll save on bulbs in the long run.

4. T5s are a SHAM!!!
Ok, let's just forget about the fact that they run cooler and cost less. And let's forget about the fact that they are a more intense source off light. And oh yeah, they also cast MORE light on a tank with less watts do to the amazingness of parabolic reflectors. And they're smaller, so you can cram more above a tank. There's also the fact that, do to the reflectors, you can also put the bulbs higher up in a canopy since there is less light lost do to light spread. And that WOULD give you more access below them to feed things, etc. But that isn't really significant.

None of those details are important, eh?

I could go on, but I don't think I really need to. T5s rock and are the way of the future when using flourescent lights to light a reef tank.

(Gee, I sound like I'm getting religious here, eh? :) )
 
I have 260w PC over my 46 bow right now ( 48 inch fixture that hangs over each side 5-6 inches). It is just barely adequate. I had decided on a 6 bulb 36" T5 setup from Finnex ( if your interested in T5's check out Finnex fixtures). However I just bought a whole setup that has a 430 icecap ballast and if I can figure out how to do the bow part I'm going to build a canopy and do either T5's or VHO's.
 
I completely agree with captbunzo on this. PCs have their place, don't get me wrong, but T5s are superior unless they don't have a reflector on them. As far as price goes, here is part of an email that I sent my sister. She's looking to light a 30" tank. Sure, this might seem like a little overkill and it's for a small tank, but you can apply the same thing to any size tank. In general, I bought a used PC fixture for $150 when I first started. Now, I could go cheap and get a T5 retrofit for $50 less and be able to grow anything I want in the same size tank. Just take a look at these comparissons.

Cheapest Setup (Fire Hazard)
(1) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each
(3) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($34.23)
(3) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$45)
(3) T5 Sockets (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $1.56/each ($4.68)
(1) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74/each
Total - $108.21

Cheapest Setup (Safe)
(1) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each
(3) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($34.23)
(3) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$45)
(3) Waterproof T5 Endcaps (http://reefgeek.com/products/categories/lighting/104929.html) - $9.95/each ($29.85)
(1) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74/each
Total - $133.38

Controllable Setup (Fire Hazard)
(2) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each ($43.12)
(3) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($34.23)
(3) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$45)
(3) T5 Sockets (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $1.56/each ($4.68)
(2) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74/each ($5.48)
Total - $132.51

Controllable Setup (Safe)
(2) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each ($43.12)
(3) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($34.23)
(3) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$45)
(3) Waterproof T5 Endcaps (http://reefgeek.com/products/categories/lighting/104929.html) - $9.95/each ($29.85)
(2) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74/each ($5.48)
Total - $157.68

High Powered (Fire Hazard)
(1) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each
(4) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($45.64)
(4) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$60)
(4) T5 Sockets (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $1.56/each ($6.24)
(1) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74/each
Total - $136.18

High Powered (Safe)
(1) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56
(4) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($45.64)
(4) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$60)
(4) Waterproof T5 Endcaps (http://reefgeek.com/products/categories/lighting/104929.html) - $9.95/each ($39.80)
(1) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74
Total - $169.74

High Powered Controllable (Fire Hazard)
(2) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each ($43.12)
(4) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($45.64)
(4) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$60)
(4) T5 Sockets (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $1.56/each ($6.24)
(2) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74 ($5.48)
Total - $160.48

High Powered Controllable (Safe)
(2) Workhorse 5 Ballast (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/inbal.html) - $21.56/each ($43.12)
(4) 22.5" Parabolic Reflectors (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/reflectors.html) - $11.41/each ($45.64)
(4) 22.5" 24w Bulbs [Various Kelvin Ratings] (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/225inlint5ho.html) - ~$15/each (~$60)
(4) Waterproof T5 Endcaps (http://reefgeek.com/products/categories/lighting/104929.html) - $9.95/each ($39.80)
(2) Power Cord (http://aqualuxlighting.stores.yahoo.net/accessories.html) - $2.74/each ($5.48)
Total - $194.04
 
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