Peppermint Angel

lol thats what makes this trio so special :p they went to a fish store called my imagination. i heard they have been getting a lot of cool stuff.
 
fishkid6692 said:
lol thats what makes this trio so special :p they went to a fish store called my imagination. i heard they have been getting a lot of cool stuff.
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I hear you there Matt ;) Mine got shut down because of improper CITIES a few year ago.
 
Heres the crummy thing about this, that I see happening if/when this fish becomes available. Theres is going to be a number of threads criticizing DFSLA for the price, and an number of threads criticizing anyone who would think of buying it.

DFS LA doesnt determine what the cost of the fish, they need to buy it too. And then they mark it up, as completely appropriate. If you think they are being greedy, buy it from another source....oh wait, you cant. Their price will be inline with exactly what it should be, and it would be worth it, for the risk, effort, and care they put into it.

And the second issue is a topic beat to death. I assume someone will buy it up, and hopefully quickly. And to be honst, I hope they DONT post it here. Because it will bother me when people criticize the purchase.

I hope Im wrong.
 
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I doubt the person who could afford $20000 on a fish is going to care about some negative comments. If you have earned enough money to spend that much on a fish, I am sure worse things have been said about you. Also, you have to be a very self-confident person.

But, I would prefer to discuss the special needs of this fish. I haven't been in this hobby long. But, quickly the Dwarf Angels became my favorite fish. So, someone fill in a newbie like me on the special requirements of such a special fish. I am not even close to in the market for such a fish, but I am still curious about the care. I want to learn as much as I can about this group of fish and such a special occasion can be a great learning moment.
 
jmaneyapanda said:
Heres the crummy thing about this, that I see happening if/when this fish becomes available. Theres is going to be a number of threads criticizing DFSLA for the price, and an number of threads criticizing anyone who would think of buying it.

DFS LA doesnt determine what the cost of the fish, they need to buy it too. And then they mark it up, as completely appropriate. If you think they are being greedy, buy it from another source....oh wait, you cant. Their price will be inline with exactly what it should be, and it would be worth it, for the risk, effort, and care they put into it.

And the second issue is a topic beat to death. I assume someone will buy it up, and hopefully quickly. And to be honst, I hope they DONT post it here. Because it will bother me when people criticize the purchase.

I hope Im wrong.
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i agree with everything you just said. if someone from RC does buy it and they post they will slammed with rude posts about why they shouldn't have gotten this fish. people get bashed when they spend 2 grand on a fish so i can't imagine what people will say to spending 25 grand. though i do hope to see updated pics of this fish. and give LA props for bringing in this amazing fish! it will command a very high price but there is reason for that.
 
The requirements for this fish are not that many... but the few they have are very important...

The first is temperature... what keeps these fish at depth is temperature, and all of the first specimens sold in 1991 were dead within six weeks... the fish never fed, and you'll read that was the reason... but the fish didn't feed because the temp was too high... which was also the reason with that first specimen shipped to Florida and how it met its fate... temps of around 70 degrees or a bit lower are probably ideal, but we should have more information on their exact temp after this trip pans out (if you are interested in one of these fish, you still have time to set up a system before they are available).

There are other less critical reasons, but worth noting. This fish should probably be kept alone... it's my belief that in these deep reef habitats the fish are not accustomed to the usual squabbling that goes on in the shallow habitats where species diversity and density is high... Also, lighting should be subdued... I have no doubt that these fish can adapt to higher lighting and some competition within the tank, but it's not worth it with this important of a fish... Many species that are found deep in the tropics are found shallow towards more temperate regions... they follow a temperature gradient, not a light gradient...

Also of note not to the species, but rather the subgenus Paracentropyge, which contains two other more available species, is that they are probably the toughest Centropyge to adapt to captivity... not impossible, but only for the advanced aquarist with years of other Centropyge experience... the peppermints closest relative, Centropyge multifasciata, I have extensive experience with... I've kept one over four years in captivity... but they are a tough nut to crack up front... once settled in they can thrive... again, there are no angels that are hard to keep, only those that are hard to adapt... check out the one alive still in captivity here...

http://glassbox-design.com/2008/peppermint-angelfish-video-ii-feeding/

Of note... this fish was collected small, as they decompress better, and kept cool from the start...

Copps
 
So what size tank would you consider being ideal?

What would be other possible inhabitants? (corals, sponges, inverts, etc)

Whoever buys this fish displays a true passion for our hobby!! The dedication to commit a special tank and money to care for such a fish is awesome! No one should be critical but impressed by someone willing to untake such a venture so the rest of us can learn and live through them.
 
Size of the tank is not critical, with I'd say a 50 gallon minimum... nor its inhabitants in regards to corals or other inverts... the fish would be just as happy living in a tank with nicely encrusted live rock for it to feed on in the time between feedings, as it would be with corals... most tropical corals will live fine at those temps... growth may be effected, but they'll be fine... the big key in the design of the system to house this fish would be disaster avoidance!
 
copps said:
Size of the tank is not critical, with I'd say a 50 gallon minimum... nor its inhabitants in regards to corals or other inverts... the fish would be just as happy living in a tank with nicely encrusted live rock for it to feed on in the time between feedings, as it would be with corals... most tropical corals will live fine at those temps... growth may be effected, but they'll be fine... the big key in the design of the system to house this fish would be disaster avoidance!
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agreed. Multiple chillers and powerheads, at least.
 
ok so now the only thing i need is 25k. anyone want to give me a loan? :p lol if i ever got this fish i don't think i would be able to sleep. i would be constantly watching it and i would never be able to go on any vacations or leave the house for more then a few hours.
 
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