Pictures of Bomber's barebottom SPS tank and related equipment

I have always been interested in no sand bed. But, im still skeptical. I need to know information on specific things like ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, phophates and how many fish you have in that tank. Would a bare bottom be able to support my tank with theese fish"
-11 chromis
-1 dog faced puffer
-2 tomato clowns
-1 6" unicorn tang
-1 powder blue tang
-1cleaner wrass
-1yellow tang
-1 regal tang
-naso tang
-1 yellow spotted boxfish
-1 sea urchin(diadema)
-valentini puffer

With 22 fish do you think that a bare-bottom tank would support the amount of ammonia production in a tank with water volume of 135 gallons? Or I would not have enough bacteria and surface area?
 
boxfishpooalot said:
Would a bare bottom be able to support my tank with theese fish"

The question is - would a person be able to get it to the skimmer, turn it over enough, have the right skimmer, and be able to operate that skimmer correctly - to do it.

It has very little to do with the size of the tank and what you put in it - and everything to do with your ability to remove it.
 
Bomber said:
The question is - would a person be able to get it to the skimmer, turn it over enough, have the right skimmer, and be able to operate that skimmer correctly - to do it.

It has very little to do with the size of the tank and what you put in it - and everything to do with your ability to remove it.

I do see your point. Like maco to remove ammonia ions, and skimmers to remove raw organics. Equalls lower pollutants. Equalls less ammonia ions. If I knew how much ammonia fish produce per hours time, then maybee I would do the switch.
 
ammonium, phosphate, etc is removed by skimming.

If you mean macro, like algae scrubbers, that is actually a poor way of removing nutrients. Not only do all algae leak, they are not able to use it all.

Your front line is bacteria and phyto production in closed systems, that you can remove with skimming.
 
Bomber said:
ammonium, phosphate, etc is removed by skimming.

If you mean macro, like algae scrubbers, that is actually a poor way of removing nutrients. Not only do all algae leak, they are not able to use it all.

Your front line is bacteria and phyto production in closed systems, that you can remove with skimming.

Ammonium is removed by skimming? Randy says ammonia ions can not be removed by skimming. Just when they are in the raw form(organics)
 
How long does ammonium stay as ammonium ions? If it did for long, you couldn't keep anything in a aquarium in the first place.

What takes up ammonium? and can you skim that out?

of course you can.
 
Bomber said:
How long does ammonium stay as ammonium ions? If it did for long, you couldn't keep anything in a aquarium in the first place.

What takes up ammonium? and can you skim that out?

of course you can.

I see your point on export, like phyto taking up ammonia then your skimmer removing it. I like the idea of no sand bed, but as everone says I also love the look of sand. But their are alternatives, like a faux sand bed. I seen a silicone/sand mixed into it bed and looked real!:) I dont know, If I removed my sand bed what would happen, the tank is only 6 months old. Also are you suggesting that my skimmer does not perform like it should? Check my pic in my gallery and let me know what you think. It was my first attempt at making a diy skimmer,and it works alright(Iwill make a new one.)

Also Bomber, I do not see any macroalgae like chaeto in your tank. What are your comments on that?
 
Also, if you want to grow phyto, why not get rid of that uv light you got? I had a phyto outbreak in my tank(completely green) and the uv killed it all, but I had no skimmer at the time and my light was 6500k full sunlight 400 watt halide.Now, its 20k with no phyto.
 
You didn't kill it all. ;)

You just starved it out.

There's a lot of things I don't like about algae filters. The main one is for algae to grow, you have to create the nutrient conditions that you are trying to eliminate in the first place.
That and all algae leak.
 
So you read through this then:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=223301&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Algae just won't grow in a properly setup BB system. And they shouldn't.

If you don't care for the white starboard, try the black one. It's pretty popular. You might already have a black back to your tank, why not just match the bottom. Personally, I love it. Very Zen like. Oh and the pink coraline on the black bottom is actually very artistic looking...
 
Ok, think about it. If you can have a very sucessfull reef aquarium, without an algae turf scrubber, without a DSB, what does that say about those two foroms of "filtration"?
 
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