Pimpin' Ain't Easy

chriskid- looking forward to pics. Just know that if these polyps came from a wild colony, chances are your lfs paid less than $.25 for them, as well as chances are what they look like will morph greatly after being in your tank a while. They still couold be knockouts, but wild polyps are rarely if ever worth $20 and it is true highway robbery for a LFS to pull them out of the ocean and then start asking premium aquacultured prices for them.

I do think some polyps are worth $20, but not wild ones th elfs just paid $20 for a couple hundred of them and no idea what they will look like over time

jmo
 
Re: Pimpin' Ain't Easy

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11700111#post11700111 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capture
It has been brought to my attention that the act of selling frags per polyp has been coined "pimping" for those of you unaware. If you aren't sure why I am bringing this up, continue reading, and for lack of anything good on television and seeing as it's the weekend, read on anyway.

May I ask why you or anyone responsible would buy one polyp, or why someone would sell one polyp?
I obtained a frag about 2 weeks ago with about 5-6 polyps and they have deteriorated to 2 and still havent opened. What if you get the one polyp home and it doesn't make it? That would seem a waste of $10-15 or more, not to mention the loss of a polyp. Unless you can get a guarantee from your source of the frag, it seems pointless and cruel. I could understand if a single polyp obtained were free and/or loose at the bottom of the tank. Things have definitely changed from 3 years ago when I took a break from this hobby.

Why are people so stingy that they have to sell by the polyp instead of offering healthy multiple polyp frags for resonable prices?
It seems as though responsility in this hobby has deteriorated and making a quick buck or two is more important than helping a fellow reefer and instilling the idea of a healthy reef. Listen, we all would like to subsidize our hobby by selling frags but who is being held responsible for the poor judgement of a living creature?
We cycle, we test our water, we go through multiple, expensive and excruciating processes to ensure that our ecosystems are sufficient to sustain living creatures...then we buy single polyps.
Slow down, enjoy, and relax. There are plenty of Tub's Blues, AoG's, and everyother annoyingly named polyp out there to make it into your reef.


I'm glad you posted this Capture
 
Wow!
Mucho, really digging this one out of the deep.
I'm glad I made this post too. It really had some legs...
Thanks for making this relevant again. I hope there is more input out there.
 
Pimping is in reference to selling someone a one, two or three polyp frag at some ridiculous price per each polyp.

In this case 808, you are not pimpin' (that's a good thing)

If you think that you got a good deal, then you may just be a pimp! lol
 
So I have been reading this thread with some interest... I have to say I'm guilty of buying "by the polyp," but that's because it's how they're sold these days. However, I think people are starting to get sick of this even... when I see things at the local club meets, a lot of time they aren't even advertised as "by the polyp," and one of my favorite local shops only has nicely sized frags. Hopefully it will keep going that :)
 
IMO, the only way it will happen is through "market forces," or simply put, voting with your wallet. People are in the coral business to make money, and if they don't make money they'll change their ways or perish.

Similarly, we the reefers need to cut back on the hysteria surrounding hard-to-find polyps. Hell, I had to wait around for a frag of Tubbs Blue to pop up, because I wasn't willing to pay 100 bucks for a 5-6 polyp frag. I'm glad I did, too, since my tank is that much more mature.
 
I am not a fan of solo frags. Last year I bought several "solo" frags and most just melt away. one very reputable zoa site offered to give me a store credit but then i would have had to spend shipping all over again. this kind of agitated me when I had just spent over 600 dollars on the order and to top it off several others were not included in my order.all I got was an oh well attitude and yeah darth mauls don't ship well. I prefer to order from honest reputable guys and not the online pimps.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14060052#post14060052 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by theJiggyfly
I am not a fan of solo frags. Last year I bought several "solo" frags and most just melt away. one very reputable zoa site offered to give me a store credit but then i would have had to spend shipping all over again. this kind of agitated me when I had just spent over 600 dollars on the order and to top it off several others were not included in my order.all I got was an oh well attitude and yeah darth mauls don't ship well. I prefer to order from honest reputable guys and not the online pimps.


Sorry about your lose my friend, but if I had a dollar, no, a dime for every story I have heard regarding single polyp shipments that died in transits or shortly after delivery. When you receive these single, double and triple polyp shipments, does anyone ask when were they cut from the mother colony?

Does anyone ask how they were glued or attached?

Does everyone ask how often the mother colony has been fragged?

Does anyone ask if this is a frag from a frag from a frag?

Does anyone ask how long were they in the tank before they were fragged?

Does anyone ask if they were wild caught or aquacultured?

Does anyone ask for the lighting scheme they were kept under?

Does anyone ask about any of the additives used in the tank they came from?

Does anyone ask if they are shallow water or deep water polyps?

Do you ask if, what or when they were fed?

Does anyone ask for the parameters of the system?



If you're paying these sky high prices for something that may die overnight.....you should. I just gave away the article I have been working on called, "What to know before you buy".

Mucho Reef
 
those are all great questions that I do ask about. there is a few on the list I don't bother with but anything that has to do with the husbandry and fragging process I want to know all the hairy details. I didn't ask about frag of a frag but will prolly start. I just figured since I have been surfing this particular website for the last year and a half they would be coming from well established aquacultured colonies. Thanks for the good advice.
 
That's why I'm wary of buying things off the internet -- most of the time if I see something online i like it'll be in the local group before too long. Worst case I can ask one of the LFS to keep an eye out for me.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14068723#post14068723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OwenInAZ
That's why I'm wary of buying things off the internet -- most of the time if I see something online i like it'll be in the local group before too long. Worst case I can ask one of the LFS to keep an eye out for me.
Unfotuneately some of us have to. My LFS can't keep Aiptasia alive. :) To there credit they do try. While shopping I heard one of the employees telling a customer that the live rock was healthy because it had Aiptasia.
I buy a lot of small frags online. Mainly because I can't really see them. If they are cool I baby them and they grow, if they turn out ugly they go up for trades to my no so local club for newbies. If they die, well, not much was lost.
 
I usually do not buy single polyps, I usually must have at least 3, but I did trade for a single polyp of purple death the other day (locally). So far it is doing great, and I have purchased from the person before so I know I can trust his parameters and fragging methods and such.
I will personally never sell single polyps. I just fragged myself a single polyp off my own colony to put in my frag tank, but I won't sell it until it grows over the disk and onto another so I can continually have frags of it in my frag tank. Patience is a virtue!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11726149#post11726149 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kawicivic
I am torn on what I should charge for frags. I would love to sell cheap frags to help people out, but at the same time it makes me sick to think of people taking advantage of them. I just heard a story the other day about somebody buying cheap corals at a frag swap and reselling them for a "nice profit."

In my opinion i would have to agree that thats why some people sell them for market value Just cause you are nice enough to sell a frag of something for cheap doesnt mean the other person will respect what you have done and sell it for their own price. I think if people that had these polyps or any coral just sold them for a decent price without feeling they would get ripped off, prices would come down. Someone gave me a frag of xenia, and now mine is starting to grow so i'm giving it away as it starts to get to a level where i dont want it. I have some eagle eye zoas that once i get a good ammount of them i will start giving away since someone did that to me with their xenia. I agree sometimes I would like to charge for the xenia to make some money and buy new stuff but that would not be right. If people would just start sharing their stuff it would encourage other people to do so also.
 
In my experience, if someone does get a cheap deal at a frag swap and it gets out that he/she goes and flips them, or grows it out and sells frags later for an obscene amount, no one wants to trade or sell them anything anymore. People just feel cheated, and that person is put outside the community of local reefers.
 
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