Pohnpei clams and disease...
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Dude, this guy is a clam distributer. If he agrees with Project Reef, I think you better be careful about clams from that region.
There is a lot of other distributor that would not agree. I agree with Oscarbeast that poor collecting and some of the underground wholesalers in the LA area that keep vats with all sorts of animal togeather and terrible conditions. No wonder some of these animals catch diseases and such.
Why does it always has to be the clam, why not wild corals, fish or other things that are introduced into the tank that could be diseased. Everyone talks about Wild Clams what about Wild Corals and Wild Fish Every body talks about Walt Smith and his awesome corals, 90& of them are wild and there is a lot of online stores selling them. Not saying that Walt Smith has bad stuff as most importors have collection stations and do the samething.
Just my 2 cents.
Ron
holeinone1972
Team RC Member
I wish you only the best of luck.
That said these clams will not make it into my systems.
Rob
That said these clams will not make it into my systems.
Rob
holeinone1972
Team RC Member
RonN,
Here you go.
I did not get the first hand knowledge of it the first time around. (Thankfully)
4 Months ago, I did purchase 5 Pohnpei Maximas. I set up a separate tank 40 gallon breeder with live sand and live rock from my personal 240. Instantly ready to go.
Clams came in looking great within 1 week the clams started to deteriorate quickly. All dead within 3 days.
I left the tank running empty for 2 months, then put 2 clams from the Marshall farm, and the same thing happened to them within 2 weeks. The tank was dismantled rock, sand pitched, and tank scrubbed with bleach, and hydrochloric acid and still sits empty.
I know that this is not very scientific, but it along with what I witnessed here on RC is good enough for me.
I will not allow another Pohnpei clam into my system.
Why even go there when there are a ton of beautiful clams available form dozens of other sources. To each their own I guess.
Marshall Island clams, Tonga, ORA.
I will not risk my business, or my customers tanks with the hope that things have changed, when it is easily avoided.
Rob
Here you go.
I did not get the first hand knowledge of it the first time around. (Thankfully)
4 Months ago, I did purchase 5 Pohnpei Maximas. I set up a separate tank 40 gallon breeder with live sand and live rock from my personal 240. Instantly ready to go.
Clams came in looking great within 1 week the clams started to deteriorate quickly. All dead within 3 days.
I left the tank running empty for 2 months, then put 2 clams from the Marshall farm, and the same thing happened to them within 2 weeks. The tank was dismantled rock, sand pitched, and tank scrubbed with bleach, and hydrochloric acid and still sits empty.
I know that this is not very scientific, but it along with what I witnessed here on RC is good enough for me.
I will not allow another Pohnpei clam into my system.
Why even go there when there are a ton of beautiful clams available form dozens of other sources. To each their own I guess.
Marshall Island clams, Tonga, ORA.
I will not risk my business, or my customers tanks with the hope that things have changed, when it is easily avoided.
Rob
RonN said:
Unfortunately, Lots.
OscarBeast
Member
It really wouldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t matter if there were a disease or not, but if the general consensus is that people ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œthinkââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ all of these clams are diseased, it would be very wise for a retailer not to keep these clams as it could hurt business. I am by no means accusing you of this Rob, but from what I understand, this is a pretty cutthroat business. Therefore I would be lying if I said I canââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t totally discount anything you say as being selfless. I hope you and everyone else can understand from my perspective. I am by no means taking swings at your character.
Thank you for sharing your experience though. I do appreciate it. The problem here again is the way it was done. Clams were moved into a tank that supposedly had the disease. Even this could have a few too many variables, but you did state this was not very scientific. It is just too bad that you didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t have the farm raised clams in the tank first for several months to make sure they were healthy and established before you introduced the Pohnpei clams. Your experience is still a lot better than simply stating you saw a lot of stressed and dying clams at a wholesaler though.
That being said, do you mind disclosing where you obtained these clams that you believe are diseased?
Thank you for sharing your experience though. I do appreciate it. The problem here again is the way it was done. Clams were moved into a tank that supposedly had the disease. Even this could have a few too many variables, but you did state this was not very scientific. It is just too bad that you didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t have the farm raised clams in the tank first for several months to make sure they were healthy and established before you introduced the Pohnpei clams. Your experience is still a lot better than simply stating you saw a lot of stressed and dying clams at a wholesaler though.
That being said, do you mind disclosing where you obtained these clams that you believe are diseased?
holeinone1972
Team RC Member
Sorry,
I will not disclose where they came from other than an importer in LA.
The Marshall Island farm clams were in my business tank for 2 weeks, before they went into the 40 gallon. They went in as healthy as far as I can tell. The clams that stayed in my business tank, from the same batch never got sick though.
Believe me no matter where you buy, or what kind you buy I wish you only great healthy clams.
I am not going to comment any further on this thread.
I will not disclose where they came from other than an importer in LA.
The Marshall Island farm clams were in my business tank for 2 weeks, before they went into the 40 gallon. They went in as healthy as far as I can tell. The clams that stayed in my business tank, from the same batch never got sick though.
Believe me no matter where you buy, or what kind you buy I wish you only great healthy clams.
I am not going to comment any further on this thread.
I was looking at LiveAquaria web site and I see that they are selling those clams. One would wonder, being as big as they are why would they take any chances in selling something that could come back to haunt them. I have heard that they have a good reputation as well as a major retailer.
Any thought on this?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/CatDisplay.cfm?sku=0089696000000&siteid=20
Any thought on this?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/CatDisplay.cfm?sku=0089696000000&siteid=20
OscarBeast
Member
RonN, some of peter's clams are the liveaquaria.com clams, so we should soon know.
ADS, that is great. Please keep us updated and good luck with your clams. Where did you happen to get your clams ADS?
ADS, that is great. Please keep us updated and good luck with your clams. Where did you happen to get your clams ADS?
OscarBeast
Member
So you are mixing these clams then going to sell them if they live?
peterlin98
Premium Member
I didn't know that LiveAquaria.com has posted new clams. Whoever does their website should know that the enlarge picture is not large enough to see the details of these clams.
I think LiveAquaria gets its clams from the same source that previously sold wild clams to ffexpress.
There are 10 clams. I like the "4"- Super Blue and Orange Ultra Tridacna maxima clam, Coralline algae covered shell- Pohnpei " - but I think it's similar to one I already have.
Let's see how long it takes before others bought these clams.
I think LiveAquaria gets its clams from the same source that previously sold wild clams to ffexpress.
There are 10 clams. I like the "4"- Super Blue and Orange Ultra Tridacna maxima clam, Coralline algae covered shell- Pohnpei " - but I think it's similar to one I already have.
Let's see how long it takes before others bought these clams.
ADS
New member
The Ponape clams are for sale-the others are my own and not for sale. They are in the same system to prove this theory. The disease mentioned has not been substantiated from reputable distributors in LA. These clams are the same Ultra maxs that are sold by 'big' retailers(the same places that several of the subscribers to this thread bought theirs from) After hearing everyones' concern, I decided to hold off on sale of these clams(they have been in US for >3 weeks already) for a month in my system. I believe that disease would spread in less than that period of time if it exists.
I thought that these clams would be a spectacular addition to any reef(even better at ~40% less than average retail). I believe in quality livestock primarily. If they are sick they won't be sold, if they're healthy then they will be available. I reiterate that poor conditions and husbandry unfortunately are to blame too often and less frequently mysterious disease. Adam
I thought that these clams would be a spectacular addition to any reef(even better at ~40% less than average retail). I believe in quality livestock primarily. If they are sick they won't be sold, if they're healthy then they will be available. I reiterate that poor conditions and husbandry unfortunately are to blame too often and less frequently mysterious disease. Adam
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SEAMONSTER
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Wholesalers
Wholesalers
To Project Reef and others,
How are you doing? I am too from the S. bay area! Wassup, brah?! I was wondering if you can maybe disclose these whosalers that are bringing these clams in. Giant clams are endangered in a lot of areas around the world. As hobbyists, it is our responsiblilty to purchase aquacultured species as often as possible. Aquacultured species have a higher survival rate and they are not taken from the ocean! Personally, before I buy, I ask a lot of questions about where an animal is from, aquacultured or wild-caught? Chance of survival in a tank? Nutrition? Success rate? Compatablity? Everyone, please ask these questions. Any reputable business will answer these questions with integrity and honesty.The ocean is not as inexhaustable as we think it it is. Once a species is extinct, it is gone FOREVER!
If anyone is local to the Los Angeles area, or if anyone else knows places like these wholesalers that Project Reef aformentioned, please DO NOT purchase from them! They are obviously not a responsible business or they simply do not give a ****!
As for this disease, I never heard of this epidemic for clams!
My apologies to the person who started this thread!
Happy Reefing!
LAAAAAATE!:rollface:
Wholesalers
To Project Reef and others,
How are you doing? I am too from the S. bay area! Wassup, brah?! I was wondering if you can maybe disclose these whosalers that are bringing these clams in. Giant clams are endangered in a lot of areas around the world. As hobbyists, it is our responsiblilty to purchase aquacultured species as often as possible. Aquacultured species have a higher survival rate and they are not taken from the ocean! Personally, before I buy, I ask a lot of questions about where an animal is from, aquacultured or wild-caught? Chance of survival in a tank? Nutrition? Success rate? Compatablity? Everyone, please ask these questions. Any reputable business will answer these questions with integrity and honesty.The ocean is not as inexhaustable as we think it it is. Once a species is extinct, it is gone FOREVER!
If anyone is local to the Los Angeles area, or if anyone else knows places like these wholesalers that Project Reef aformentioned, please DO NOT purchase from them! They are obviously not a responsible business or they simply do not give a ****!
As for this disease, I never heard of this epidemic for clams!
My apologies to the person who started this thread!
Happy Reefing!
LAAAAAATE!:rollface:
SEAMONSTER
New member
RON
RON
I just forgot to mention the other species, brah! Being a clam discussion forum, I did not want to offend anyone on this thread by mentioning other species, but you are absolutely right!
A lot of corals (lps in particular) do not breed in captivity. In fact, it is impossible to do so. I am real selective while deciding on a coral, clam or fish. As i said, I do ask a lot of questions while I am considering a species. Furthermore, I know my retailer and their wholesaler well enough to make a responsible and knowledgeable choice.
As far as I know, science has managed to breed 7 of the 8 species of giant clams that are popular with people like us. And cleaner shrimp, some blennies and wrasses, clownfishes,peppermint shrimp, octopus and others have been successfully been bred in captive conditions. So have Xenias, leathers and other soft corals have been bred. I think that is our ultimate goal; to achieve that in our homes! Would'nt that be so cool?!
Take care and Happy Reefing!
:rollface:
RON
I just forgot to mention the other species, brah! Being a clam discussion forum, I did not want to offend anyone on this thread by mentioning other species, but you are absolutely right!
A lot of corals (lps in particular) do not breed in captivity. In fact, it is impossible to do so. I am real selective while deciding on a coral, clam or fish. As i said, I do ask a lot of questions while I am considering a species. Furthermore, I know my retailer and their wholesaler well enough to make a responsible and knowledgeable choice.
As far as I know, science has managed to breed 7 of the 8 species of giant clams that are popular with people like us. And cleaner shrimp, some blennies and wrasses, clownfishes,peppermint shrimp, octopus and others have been successfully been bred in captive conditions. So have Xenias, leathers and other soft corals have been bred. I think that is our ultimate goal; to achieve that in our homes! Would'nt that be so cool?!
Take care and Happy Reefing!
:rollface:
ADS
New member
I agree. I have been involved in the research of clam breeding for over a year now. I have had 3 successful Maxima spawns using serotonin. I was able to keep giant clam larvae for 2 months before crash. Despite the skepticism I think it is possible to bring clams to maturity in a captive environment. the problem is MATURE broodstock which unfortunately are not farm-raised yet.
Most Maxima/Derasa farms are close to having them available. The Gigas and hippopus you buy are babies in reproductive age( you need about a 15" animal to yield healthy sperm and eggs from them). In addition Large specimens are a relative fortune to purchase to have enough for a successful spawn with good mix of genes.
My goal is to perfect the Farming techniques in a captive environment and eventually have it routine practice that fellow aquarists can "stud" their larger clams for spawning and reap the rewards of it's offspring....ALL captive raised!I believe this goal is not as far off as some might imagine. And believe it or not some are not in it for the money. Adam
Most Maxima/Derasa farms are close to having them available. The Gigas and hippopus you buy are babies in reproductive age( you need about a 15" animal to yield healthy sperm and eggs from them). In addition Large specimens are a relative fortune to purchase to have enough for a successful spawn with good mix of genes.
My goal is to perfect the Farming techniques in a captive environment and eventually have it routine practice that fellow aquarists can "stud" their larger clams for spawning and reap the rewards of it's offspring....ALL captive raised!I believe this goal is not as far off as some might imagine. And believe it or not some are not in it for the money. Adam
