Possible bad batch of Cupramine?

[Deinonych]

Whatever man
My fish are alive, yours are dead and the $$$ u lost well.....thats what ccards are for right

Keep blaming cupramine
Tens of thousands of aquarium keepers around the world, bad batch and all boards would be flooded with posts

U like poisoned ur fish but knock yourself out

Wow.

 

[dlondono]

Yes wow, common sense, bad batch of cupramine and all boards would be talking about it

What I said makes sense, what the op says does not, some sort of contamination or adverse interaction occurred period

 

[MrTuskfish]

FWIW Several years ago, SeaChem had some bad copper test kits....it was posted all over this forum.

 

[SteelMastiff]

Have you done any concentration tests with your test kit and dropper?

Peter , I'm currently out of town for work, but will be arriving home tonight, or early Friday morning, at which time I' ll begin running some tests.

I spoke with my wife last night and she told me the Butterfly's both started eating a little, and appeared to be coming out of their funk a bit. The Flame is still not eating, but also appeared to be more active.

 

[SteelMastiff]

Yes wow, common sense, bad batch of cupramine and all boards would be talking about it

What I said makes sense, what the op says does not, some sort of contamination or adverse interaction occurred period

I am not about to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, but the one thing you are certainly correct about is I poisoned my fish, the question is, and whole point of this thread is, how and what the root cause was. I have stated the facts numerous times, and you can choose not to believe me, that's your right, and it doesn't concern nor bother me in the least...

 

[dlondono]

Yes you did, next time do a 100% water change and rinse everything mr. Genious

 

[Rea17]

It's *genius. There's no need to name call.

 

[SDguy]

Yes you did, next time do a 100% water change and rinse everything mr. Genious

I don't understand why you are so upset and aggressive in this thread. Perhaps you should just take a break from it. You've said what you have to say.

 

[triggreef]

So much useless arguing and drama in this thread I can't even remember what posts I wanted to comment on.

I would think that something happened that caused the cupramine to fall out of its original form. You said you tested ph right away and then did full water changes. What was the result of your ph test?

On a side note, I've treated many fish with cupramine dosing aggressively, and never had issue, including a flame angel and many others that are commonly listed as inadvisable to treat with copper.

dosing 1/4 dose, this should not have happened at all. But I would surely like to know the cause as much as you and everyone else.

Perhaps guys can help figure that out, instead of arguing.

 

[DgenR8]

mr. Genious

Well, if that doesn't just DRIP with irony......
Normally, I'd remove an obnoxious post like that. In this case, I think I'll leave it so we can all appreciate how special it is.

 

[SteelMastiff]

Sorry for the delay in updating, life has been a little busy as of late. First off, the remaining fish have pulled thru nicely and are all very active and eating well.

I ran some controlled tests utilizing 2-5 gallon buckets, the test kits used were Seachem, and Salifert. I did utilize the drop method for these tests due to the water volume I was testing. The numbers you see in the photos represent drops per 5 gallons with the Seachem test. The Salifert test at this low dosage was a little tricky to read, but once the dosage was increased, it was right in line with the Seachem test. I included a picture of the Salifert test at the final concentration, which would be 16 drops per 5 gallons, 0.5mg.






Judging from the test results, a hyper concentrated bottle of Cupramine is not what I have in my possession, at least not in terms of what these test kits read.

I was really hoping the test results would yield a definitive answer as to why a 1/4 dose of Cupramine would have the toxicity to kill in a manner for which I experienced, but instead I am left with more questions, and no real answers.

I am only left to theorize that something else was amiss, but what that could have been, I have no clue. I just know that I have never had an experience like this, and have successfully run dozens of fish thru the same quarantine protocol without issue.

I am not a Chemist, nor do I know the exact chemical makeup of Cupramine, but I am certainly curious what Cupramine contains, and if anything else within its makeup could lead to this"¦

 

[SteelMastiff]

So much useless arguing and drama in this thread I can't even remember what posts I wanted to comment on.

I would think that something happened that caused the cupramine to fall out of its original form. You said you tested ph right away and then did full water changes. What was the result of your ph test?

On a side note, I've treated many fish with cupramine dosing aggressively, and never had issue, including a flame angel and many others that are commonly listed as inadvisable to treat with copper.

dosing 1/4 dose, this should not have happened at all. But I would surely like to know the cause as much as you and everyone else.

Perhaps guys can help figure that out, instead of arguing.

I sincerely apologize if I came across as argumentative; I was just trying to clarify the facts as they were, and certainly appreciate any input you have to offer. I am certainly frustrated, as it just doesn't add up.

The PH tested at 8.0