Possible Pathogen Based Acro Necrosis
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wentreefgirl
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...................................and its game on. Only time will tell. Is it 2 days yet?????????
Kip
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sun nite around 10pm will be 48hrs
as far as JBNY saying that the water turns very yellow at the end of treatment.... it is subjective, but i thought the water quite yellow upon start of treatment
and today as of noon EST... corals seem to be tolerating the treatment fine (no immediate RTN, etc)
as far as JBNY saying that the water turns very yellow at the end of treatment.... it is subjective, but i thought the water quite yellow upon start of treatment
and today as of noon EST... corals seem to be tolerating the treatment fine (no immediate RTN, etc)
The Saltman
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Just curious, has anyone ever used chloramphenicol on their corals, and if so, what have your results been?
Kip
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well.... its an hour and 20 short of 48hrs and i pulled the frags from the doxy bath (tired and going to bed)
all frags are doing fine... in fact there was a gam amph running around in the hospital tank
now that i've proven to myself (or will prove to myself over the next few days) that the frags tolerate the bath, i will bathe all corals together from that 75g "rescue" tank. i should then have all "clean" acros in that tank. then a little monitoring for a while to see if the recession issues come back
the display system running 76*F... i've lost count of the days, but there seems to be no signs of the acro illness in the main tank nor frag tank. I am going to start inching the temp back up to normal operating specs and monitor some more. Depending upon how the frags do in the 75g rescue tank, if all is well... i may do a bath of all corals in display at the same time. Then do the same at my work tank. In theory, this should mean all of my acros both at home and work are now "clean" and all i have to do is worry about "cleaning" new acros upon arrival.
Someone asked a while ago about my acclimation/bathing regimen for new acros.... looks like there will be a new step added to that process. Yep, a PITA to add another step, but worth every second of the extra time.
I am getting a little ahead of myself because there is still a good deal of monitoring to be done, but i am pretty confident of the benefits of the doxycycline treatments.
More updates soon to come over the next coupla days.
all frags are doing fine... in fact there was a gam amph running around in the hospital tank
now that i've proven to myself (or will prove to myself over the next few days) that the frags tolerate the bath, i will bathe all corals together from that 75g "rescue" tank. i should then have all "clean" acros in that tank. then a little monitoring for a while to see if the recession issues come back
the display system running 76*F... i've lost count of the days, but there seems to be no signs of the acro illness in the main tank nor frag tank. I am going to start inching the temp back up to normal operating specs and monitor some more. Depending upon how the frags do in the 75g rescue tank, if all is well... i may do a bath of all corals in display at the same time. Then do the same at my work tank. In theory, this should mean all of my acros both at home and work are now "clean" and all i have to do is worry about "cleaning" new acros upon arrival.
Someone asked a while ago about my acclimation/bathing regimen for new acros.... looks like there will be a new step added to that process. Yep, a PITA to add another step, but worth every second of the extra time.
I am getting a little ahead of myself because there is still a good deal of monitoring to be done, but i am pretty confident of the benefits of the doxycycline treatments.
More updates soon to come over the next coupla days.
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The Saltman
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Kip, I know I'm ahead of myself also in your experiment, but could you describe how you treated your acro with the doxy and also, where can I get this stuff at?
the_anti_honda
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Kip-
I have been meaning to let you know I have now added a doxy bath to all new additions as well so we will see how that goes. Good thing we know the same pigeon.
The Saltman-
Your only options are either being a patient who uses it or being a Doctor and writing your own Rx for it.
I'm not a patient who uses it either.
I have been meaning to let you know I have now added a doxy bath to all new additions as well so we will see how that goes. Good thing we know the same pigeon.
The Saltman-
Your only options are either being a patient who uses it or being a Doctor and writing your own Rx for it.
I'm not a patient who uses it either.
the_anti_honda
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And for chloramphenicol it is available in topical ointments and in prescription eye drops. But then again I don't know of any over the counter meds that are available or what I would consider to be safe to use in an aquarium.
You run into the same problem as the mentioned above. At least its cheap stuff if you can get it.
You run into the same problem as the mentioned above. At least its cheap stuff if you can get it.
Kip
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feeling more successful with this by the day.... the primary reason...
there was a 1 inch blue polyp/yellow nasuta frag that had ~90% necrosed in a 24-48hr period. if the illness had persisted, that frag should be gone by now. upon putting the frag in the doxy bath, during the 48hrs of treatment, and now ~7-8hrs out of the bath... the 10% of that frag that was left remains unaffected.
if this treatment is to be improved any, there will be a dump and reload of new water/meds at 24hrs to improve the efficacy. this may or may not be needed, i dont know yet. with 2-3 frags, maybe not needed. with a dozen or more or larger colonies it could possibly needed (as noted in bingman's article) there is that possibility of o2 dropping out and becoming a factor. i didnt monitor o2 or pH for that matter, but evidently they didnt become a problem during the trial treatment period because the frags did just fine.
about the frags... there was a control yongei frag that started the treatment with no problems and ended with no problems. there was an e-coral unknown frag that started the treatment with recession beginning at the base and ended with no further recession. there was a nasuta frag that started with 90% recession and ended with no further recession.
for those playing along... sorry this "data*" is so scattered throughout this thread. i guess when more definitive conclusions are made and results are repeated i will post a little summary
data*.... i make no claims of scientific validity of any of the info herein.... such is beyond my education and skills.
there was a 1 inch blue polyp/yellow nasuta frag that had ~90% necrosed in a 24-48hr period. if the illness had persisted, that frag should be gone by now. upon putting the frag in the doxy bath, during the 48hrs of treatment, and now ~7-8hrs out of the bath... the 10% of that frag that was left remains unaffected.
if this treatment is to be improved any, there will be a dump and reload of new water/meds at 24hrs to improve the efficacy. this may or may not be needed, i dont know yet. with 2-3 frags, maybe not needed. with a dozen or more or larger colonies it could possibly needed (as noted in bingman's article) there is that possibility of o2 dropping out and becoming a factor. i didnt monitor o2 or pH for that matter, but evidently they didnt become a problem during the trial treatment period because the frags did just fine.
about the frags... there was a control yongei frag that started the treatment with no problems and ended with no problems. there was an e-coral unknown frag that started the treatment with recession beginning at the base and ended with no further recession. there was a nasuta frag that started with 90% recession and ended with no further recession.
for those playing along... sorry this "data*" is so scattered throughout this thread. i guess when more definitive conclusions are made and results are repeated i will post a little summary
data*.... i make no claims of scientific validity of any of the info herein.... such is beyond my education and skills.
wentreefgirl
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Any data is good data.
Kip
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first time use, yeah... same hesitations as using FWexit and interceptor the first time.
i am definitely more comfortable w/ the abx after seeing that they dont stress the acros at all (or at least in preliminary testing and yet to see any latent adversity)
i appreciate the info you had to offer and the dosage.... in fact, i wanna say to everyone that offered suggestions and even well wishes..... thanks again....
and a really big "thanks again" to that pigeon.
in a few weeks, hopefully, i will be re-starting my acro collection
i am definitely more comfortable w/ the abx after seeing that they dont stress the acros at all (or at least in preliminary testing and yet to see any latent adversity)
i appreciate the info you had to offer and the dosage.... in fact, i wanna say to everyone that offered suggestions and even well wishes..... thanks again....
and a really big "thanks again" to that pigeon.
in a few weeks, hopefully, i will be re-starting my acro collection
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gasman059
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Hey Kip i'm happy 4 ya. I know it takes a lot out of you when your tank goes south, but we are all glad. BTW whenu get a chance PM with (the Pigeon Method to c how can we circumvent the possible issue in the future-for my fellow reefers out of state)
,good luck!
and happy REEFING!
Greg Hiller
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I've only had time to read the first two pages, so sorry if this has already been covered, but:
In the 'old' days (cira 1997-8) there were a lot of tanks getting wipe outs with RTN. Usually started when a wild collected colony was added to the tank with no iodine bath. Thick branched Acros collected from high wave zones were the most likely to bring it in. I had a bout with it in a frag tank in about 2000. I used the Chloramphenicol whole tank treatment. Not for the faint of heart, but it did work (I assume, though might have stopped on it's own had I not done anything) on my frag tank with minimal additional losses, and no recurrence. The thread on how to do it is still out there. Where to get the Chloramphenicol might be a problem, though you might be able to get it from a vet.
http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/c_bingman_040697.html
In the 'old' days (cira 1997-8) there were a lot of tanks getting wipe outs with RTN. Usually started when a wild collected colony was added to the tank with no iodine bath. Thick branched Acros collected from high wave zones were the most likely to bring it in. I had a bout with it in a frag tank in about 2000. I used the Chloramphenicol whole tank treatment. Not for the faint of heart, but it did work (I assume, though might have stopped on it's own had I not done anything) on my frag tank with minimal additional losses, and no recurrence. The thread on how to do it is still out there. Where to get the Chloramphenicol might be a problem, though you might be able to get it from a vet.
http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/c_bingman_040697.html
