Powder Blue Tang

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I rescued a fish (Powder Blue), it was flashing and had ick. I quarantined it and it has not been eating much. I rescued it because I believed it had a chance because it was so fat! My concern or question is, Why does it have rippled skin or a ripple look to it's skin. It is currently under copper treatment/cupramine.
Basically, any ideas on the rippled looking skin/tissue???
 
This is not my fish, but it is the same condition as mine. I found this picture online. Advice? Remember this fish was a rescue!
 

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Almost looks like bruising from rough handling. Powder blues are among the soft-bodied Acanthurus tangs that need to be caught and transported gently. Using a standard net or pinning it while catching at the LFS can result in these welts. I always use fine mesh for my powder blues and achilles, or better yet a specimen container. Keep an eye out for a secondary bacterial infection. Is the fish still displaying ich?

Lots of food soaked in selcon and vitachem should help speed healing, and the selcon might increase his appetite if he's not eating.
 
They might of handled it rough. Poor guy! Very mild ick, maybe 4-5 trophonts last night. I'll check again tonight. The copper is dong it's job, unfortunately, the fish is not eating. I've tried every trick in the book. Example, garlic soaking and Entice soaking food. Green seaweed, red seaweed, New Life Spectrum, flakes. I don't over feed, but I give enough to try and entice fish to eat.
 
I've never used Selcon but hear good reviews on it. I'll try to locate some first thing in the morning. Thanx!
 
What is your copper level at? Keep in mind cu is an appetite suppressant, it can be difficult to get fish eating during treatment if they weren't already.
 
Instructions suggest .5, I have it at .3 and a half and it's doing its job. I know copper is hard on them. It's a gonner if it don't eat by tomorow!:blown:
 
Garlic tends to work on bacteria well.
I get fish eating before treatment. They often seem to eat less with copper treatment.

By food do you mean meaty food or seaweed? Try seaweed, nori, ect. Often tangs will not eat of tank is not large enough. Had to get a 40 breeder for QT because fish always had issues with eating in 20 gallon.
 
Garlic tends to work on bacteria well.

For those of you wondering, there's actually some evidence to support this. The only problem is fish in the study were directly injected with garlic extract; not fed garlic-laced food. So, there's no way of knowing how effective feeding garlic is (with this study). Also, as the author points out, "There is no relationship between garlic's effect on bacterial infections and parasitic infestations."

Garlic has been studied for its effectiveness against a bacterial infection of fish (Colorni et al, 1998). One hundred and sixty sea bass (Dicentrarchus labrax) were intentionally infected with Mycobacterium marinum via injection with cultured cells. The study's participants also kept a positive control group of another 40 specimens, which they held in conditions similar to, but separate from, the infected fish, but injected them only with saline. All of these fish were then held and monitored to watch the disease's progression. After nine weeks, the infected fish showed clinical signs of infection upon dissection and examination. At this point, the infected fish were broken up into four smaller groups of 40 each: a negative control group which received no treatment, an experimental group that received antibiotic (streptomycin) injections, a second experimental group that received garlic extract injections, and a third experimental group that received injections of both the antibiotic and garlic extract. All fish were treated for an additional 12 weeks. During this time, sample fish were selected and dissected to monitor the disease's progression or recession.

The interesting revelation that came from this study is that it revealed a statistically significant stronger immune response in the fish given only garlic versus the fish given antibiotics, antibiotics and garlic, or the untreated control group. Part of this apparent anomaly is that antibiotics also have an immunosuppressive effect. In layman's terms, while they work to kill bacteria, they also don't permit the body to fight as hard as normal against the infection. But, the fact that the fish treated with garlic showed a stronger immune response than the untreated control group lead the study authors to suggest that "allicin treatment seems to have an enhancing effect on antibody activity when compared with all other groups."

Source: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/
 
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Yes, that quote is from Steven Pro's article overviewing garlic use in the hobby. However it is definitely not clear that there would be any positive effects in treating marine fish. There is another post from humaguy who indicates that garlic is not good for marine fish. However, in this hobby everyone is free to do whatever they think best. I eat lots of garlic and I have never gotten cryptocaryon irritans so clearly it does work.
 
Yes, that quote is from Steven Pro's article overviewing garlic use in the hobby. However it is definitely not clear that there would be any positive effects in treating marine fish. There is another post from humaguy who indicates that garlic is not good for marine fish. However, in this hobby everyone is free to do whatever they think best. I eat lots of garlic and I have never gotten cryptocaryon irritans so clearly it does work.

Probably one the funniest post I have read, but ich is a protist not bacteria. So I see your point.
 
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Just my opinion; if you soak fish food in garlic every once & awhile, then it's probably no big deal. Maybe it provides some benefit to the fish; maybe it doesn't. I've read everything from people saying it boosts the fish's natural immune system, to garlic seeps thru a fish's skin and that keeps Ich off them. :lol:

I think people who get in trouble with it are those who use it on a daily basis (on their fish), and believe it "cures" everything. ;)
 
Well I hope to get fish eating today. Thanks for all the advice. I'll try everything again today, with out stressing fish out too much! My fingers are crossed today. :sad2: If fish would only eat! If by chance fish eats, it will be in quarantine for 2 weeks. Fish is still real fat! I'm trying hard!
I might try some fresh culerpa from out of my reef.
 
Well I hope to get fish eating today. Thanks for all the advice. I'll try everything again today, with out stressing fish out too much! My fingers are crossed today. :sad2: If fish would only eat! If by chance fish eats, it will be in quarantine for 2 weeks. Fish is still real fat! I'm trying hard!
I might try some fresh culerpa from out of my reef.

If you wish to try "greens", try nori rubberbanded to a rock or on an algae clip. I do not think they will touch caulerpa and it is very undesirable to have in your display tank.
 
"Very Undesirable". For who? I like a little. My Kole Tang Loves it and keeps it in check. It helps filter water. It's not evasive if you know how to control it. I also feed it to my Moorish Idol, in the fish only Tank periodically. If you could see my Reef you would be AMAZED! I don't see the down side!?:rolleye1: Everyone has there own methods. It's working for me! If it's biologically safe, then it can be used.
By the way, everyone knows Tangs graze on seaweed and other cyano. Kind of a waste of time, for you to point that out.
 
"Very Undesirable". For who? I like a little. My Kole Tang Loves it and keeps it in check. It helps filter water. It's not evasive if you know how to control it. I also feed it to my Moorish Idol, in the fish only Tank periodically. If you could see my Reef you would be AMAZED! I don't see the down side!?:rolleye1: Everyone has there own methods. It's working for me! If it's biologically safe, then it can be used.
By the way, everyone knows Tangs graze on seaweed and other cyano. Kind of a waste of time, for you to point that out.

Many people (myself included) have had a vastly different experience when it comes to caulerpa. I've seen it get completely out of hand, growing like a vine & taking over rocks. I would put it in the same category as bryopsis, aiptasia, anthelia, etc.
 
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