Power head question Vortech vs Gyre

[Ssteve]

Is this one of the same Russian trolls that screwed with the election? Lol. Get out of here with this garbage.

Gyre to save money, Vortechs for the best. It's as simple as that.

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So if something isn't widely reported it makes it false? Your closed mindedness is what's garbage.

Here's some advice, start doing some research on the things you dismiss. Not a basic google search either. I've spoke with people who run coral farms, know people first hand that have had major tank issues due to vortech pumps. If you choose not to believe it that's fine, doesn't change anything for me. I have nothing to prove here, just offering the simple advice of checking the shafts to prevent issues.

 

[ktownhero]

So if something isn't widely reported it makes it false? Your closed mindedness is what's garbage.

Here's some advice, start doing some research on the things you dismiss. Not a basic google search either. I've spoke with people who run coral farms, know people first hand that have had major tank issues due to vortech pumps. If you choose not to believe it that's fine, doesn't change anything for me. I have nothing to prove here, just offering the simple advice of checking the shafts to prevent issues.

So you're saying the thing you called "notorious" isn't "widely reported"? Then what does notorious mean to you ?

Negligent owners look for scapegoats. Period. I already know exactly what you are referring to. People that think a tiny but of rust on the tip of the shaft is causing their tank woes,when it is entirely normal and expected. And then there are people who have cracked housings that they apparently don't notice for months or years and end up with a rusty magnet. Even then, the neglect required for that to happen says to me that the Vortech isn't the problem.

Not "notorious". Not "widely reported". It's just some salty negligent owners and people who over spent and have buyer's remorse. And people without the personal skills to pick up a phone and call Ecotech and be pleasant.

Edit: I don't mean to be rude at all, but this need to be said. The trolling over some of these products is just outrageous.

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[davehead86]

This non-sense about the RUST from an MP 40 shaft crashing your tank is absurd. There is very little chance that the rust from two MP40 shafts would be enough to crash a tank. Highly improbable.

And there is still debate on the rust issue with the MP 40 and what its actually caused by. One camp believes it is the shaft deteriorating and failing, others believe the powerful magnets used to spin the shaft draw in metals in the tank and they collect at that point.


As for the actual question I prefer the Vortechs to the Gyre. I owned a Gyre and it worked but it was HUGE in the tank and shaded part of my corals with how far it stuck into the water. I also felt really nervous about the cleaning procedure for them and the fragile parts. I prefer the ease of the Vortech Cleaning.

 

[soulpatch]

People (myself included) pay for GFO which is RUST. This non-sense about RUST from an MP 40 crashing your tank is absurd. There is no way that the rust from two MP40 shafts would be enough to crash a tank. Literally not possible.

That really depends on the materials used in the metal alloy shaft. Similar to how the metal in little fishies magnets had caused serious issues in tanks.

Not saying that that is the case at all with Vortechs and other things that rust BUT it can and has happened before with things rusting.

 

[davehead86]

That really depends on the materials used in the metal alloy shaft. Similar to how the metal in little fishies magnets had caused serious issues in tanks.

Not saying that that is the case at all with Vortechs and other things that rust BUT it can and has happened before with things rusting.

Interesting find about the little fishies magnet. And i agree with your statement about the materials used makes a difference but I still stand by my statement that the 1/4 inch of exposed high quality stainless steel found in the MP 40 is not causing a tank crash. If that were the case we would be seeing massive postings on the boards about tanks dying. It took no time to find the magnet story and the subsequent problems but nothing about MP 40 shafts causing problems. Any problems look to be caused from magnets on several different styles of powerheads.

 

[soulpatch]

Interesting find about the little fishies magnet. And i agree with your statement about the materials used makes a difference but I still stand by my statement that the 1/4 inch of exposed high quality stainless steel found in the MP 40 is not causing a tank crash. If that were the case we would be seeing massive postings on the boards about tanks dying. It took no time to find the magnet story and the subsequent problems but nothing about MP 40 shafts causing problems. Any problems look to be caused from magnets on several different styles of powerheads.

I dont think it has even been an issue with Vortechs either but it has been shown that rusting components and magnets elsewhere have indeed caused issues even in a VERY small amount of rusting.

Even with the TLF magnets it is a very small subset of population with the issues. I just saw your blanket statement and needed to comment.

GFO while it is rust is a set type of rust and not a wide array of alloys that we can find in other items.

 

[davehead86]

I dont think it has even been an issue with Vortechs either but it has been shown that rusting components and magnets elsewhere have indeed caused issues even in a VERY small amount of rusting.

Even with the TLF magnets it is a very small subset of population with the issues. I just saw your blanket statement and needed to comment.

GFO while it is rust is a set type of rust and not a wide array of alloys that we can find in other items.

Edited original post to make a far more specific statement.

 

[soulpatch]

Edited original post to make a far more specific statement.

cheers!!!

 

[Liquid360]

Power head question Vortech vs Gyre

I use one of each. That was my solution.


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[2wheelsonly]

I have an 8 foot tank with 2 mp40's on one side and 1 gyre 250 on the other. The detritus buildup on the gyre side is at least 4x more than on the vortech side. I am not sold the gyre gives proper flow for anyone who wants a healthy environment for SPS.

Also note that I originally had an MP60 on one side instead of the MP40s and it was just too much for that tank. The flow blasted my corals so bad they lost flesh on the flow side (SPS). The MP60 also caused my sandbed to pile up on the side glass where the mp60 was located.

I don't think the MP60 is better for wider tanks as it is for taller tanks. I wouldn't put it on anything that isn't taller than 30 inches. IMO anything shorter than 30 inches gets MP40s regardless of width.

 

[Ssteve]

Sorry for "trolling", I obviously have no clue what I'm talking about. Carry on.