Prodibio
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mikeatjac
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Somewhere on this thread or Iwan's thread is 3 stage process that givies you some expectations. Yes some, not all corals did lighten up and that is the start of stage two. Stage two is a stage where you start feeding the corals (CV and AAHC) to color up the corals. If you can only do one I would go with CV.
Remember the reason to do all this is to remove the nurtriants.
Remember the reason to do all this is to remove the nurtriants.
TryTheChi
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IME IIRC it took 10 weeks or so for some sps to get very light. I havent tried any other brands of amino acids, but they could be worth a try if they are cheaper. There was a review of a number of brands in CORAL a few issues back. The zeo AAHC looks very expensive esp at US prices!! but it does last a long time. CV is a color and growth enhancer so isnt as vital for light sps as amino acids.
Interesting to read about some peoples experience of TN. There are a whole number of experienced zeo users who are loosing sps to TN at the moment ( and trying to pin it on seachem salt).
For those who are loosing corals how does the PH/CA/ALK picture look?. The reason for asking is that with all that extra bacterial acitivity going on - there could be a downward pressure on PH which could be the cause of TN, hense the importance of buffering capacity in the water and with aragonite DSB.
The zeoheads are alarmed that thier alk maybe much lower than indicated bacause of the high borate level in seachem giving a false reading for carbonates.
How about temparatures at this time of year? Any associations there?
If it were me being concerned that bacteria levels are somehow causing TN, I'd pull back on the TPIM a bit rather than the booster. I always underdosed this by 20% and did not experience any TN problems.
JME Cheers
Simon
Interesting to read about some peoples experience of TN. There are a whole number of experienced zeo users who are loosing sps to TN at the moment ( and trying to pin it on seachem salt).
For those who are loosing corals how does the PH/CA/ALK picture look?. The reason for asking is that with all that extra bacterial acitivity going on - there could be a downward pressure on PH which could be the cause of TN, hense the importance of buffering capacity in the water and with aragonite DSB.
The zeoheads are alarmed that thier alk maybe much lower than indicated bacause of the high borate level in seachem giving a false reading for carbonates.
How about temparatures at this time of year? Any associations there?
If it were me being concerned that bacteria levels are somehow causing TN, I'd pull back on the TPIM a bit rather than the booster. I always underdosed this by 20% and did not experience any TN problems.
JME Cheers
Simon
mikeatjac
Active member
I am not sure if tropic mme or Sailifert AA are as good or not. I have not read anything by anyone that has done this for a while that has said anything about them. All that I have read is from people that are trying it instead of CV and AAHC. I did use Sailifert AA a while back and it does not look like or smell like AAHC.
simon funny you say about the zeo users losing corals. DO NOT TAKE THIS AS TRUTH ANYONE. my tank was doing good after I overdosed and cut back to 10-20% on the polyplab stuff. reading everyones experiences with cv and aahc I couldn't stand not trying it yet so I ordered some of each. I added less than half recommended dosages of both only 25% of the aahc. next day was 3 dead acros and one bright green was dull brown in less than 10 hours. I also added 10% regular dosage of the polyplab stuff so I would know if it was good or bad with zeo. obviously it is bad. is it possible one of the zeo products is bad? manufacturing defects happen all the time. amino acid supplements are very potent when overdosed. maybe we should at least consider this as an option. everyone else dosed full strength and I did much less. maybe a bad batch. seems I attrack bad things. just had a bad calcium test that was good until 2010. I won't cry unfair anymore 
oh yeah aquacraft salts have had elevated borates for years without problems. that is why they can't test alk. very well.
my alk is 3.54 meq/l
calcium 420-500?
magnesium 1350
old calcium kit was 420 consistently now I got a new one that said 590 then another new one same brand that says 500.
I am ordering a different brand of course to double check
my alk is 3.54 meq/l
calcium 420-500?
magnesium 1350
old calcium kit was 420 consistently now I got a new one that said 590 then another new one same brand that says 500.
I am ordering a different brand of course to double check
DARKSILENTTYPE
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I read that thread over at zeovit forum yesterday . Its was interesting . I was glad to see a seachem guy chime in on the issue . I have been using seachem reef salt sense it came out with no issues as of yet . None that I didn't cause myself that is .
DST
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kirstenk
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I have used Salifert's AA for a long time (pre probiotics). I did'nt use them because I had a lightening of my corals, I use them because JB_NY does. 
I have never had an over all lightening of my corals. When I started Probiotics I did so to control cyano and figured if I got better color all the better! I recently started dosing CV and TM Elements K and I see some changes but I don't know which might be responsible or if it was from my recent water purification. Now, when I stop using one...........I can tell.
I am a tinkerer and I always will be so it makes it sorta hard to know what is doing what, when but I do eventually figure it out by way of stopping something.
I guess I frontload vs those that try one 'lil change at a time.
I have never had an over all lightening of my corals. When I started Probiotics I did so to control cyano and figured if I got better color all the better! I recently started dosing CV and TM Elements K and I see some changes but I don't know which might be responsible or if it was from my recent water purification. Now, when I stop using one...........I can tell.
I am a tinkerer and I always will be so it makes it sorta hard to know what is doing what, when but I do eventually figure it out by way of stopping something.
I guess I frontload vs those that try one 'lil change at a time.
ZoeReef
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7736986#post7736986 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kirstenk
I guess I frontload vs those that try one 'lil change at a time.
Chuck Norris would throw the whole Zeo plant into his tank Grrrrrr.
I just hope to get my tank up to where your tank was in it's tough times. See you sat
ROR
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It is my understanding that Biodigest is a "starter colony" of bacteria, and the population will multiply to many times it's original size (as bacteria do) based on available food sources and favorable conditions. Seeding with Biodigest insures that the "right" strains remain domintant.
Rob
Rob
