DARKSILENTTYPE
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I used a turkey baster to blow the stuff off of the corals when I had it a long time ago . It will keep the corals from choking on the stuff .
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ZoeReef
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That stuff really works great. 12 hours later and there is a very significant improvement. ORP has climbed from 360 up to 395 which is it's highest reading to date.
ChemiClean claims to be safe for nitrifying bacteria, so we'll see. Because I can't measure Digest, I don't know how to tell if it's been effective. I think I'm gonna continue to ride this train a bit further since success will make life much easier for me. I would much prefer dosing every 15 days instead of each morning.
ChemiClean claims to be safe for nitrifying bacteria, so we'll see. Because I can't measure Digest, I don't know how to tell if it's been effective. I think I'm gonna continue to ride this train a bit further since success will make life much easier for me. I would much prefer dosing every 15 days instead of each morning.
Labman48076
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JUst ordered my Prodibio today
JUst ordered my Prodibio today
will post fallow up when I get them I ordered them from aqurium specilty he has free shipping till the end of Aug. hey I will save a buck where I can also I am just switching from Zeovit to try this I was one of the ones that didn't have over whelming results seems you either do good with zeo or bad not much middle ground just my opinio not dissing it just noticed eith people love it or have problems.. the link is and they are a sponsor as well also carries Reff Roids and other great products
http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=86_188_192
JUst ordered my Prodibio today
will post fallow up when I get them I ordered them from aqurium specilty he has free shipping till the end of Aug. hey I will save a buck where I can also I am just switching from Zeovit to try this I was one of the ones that didn't have over whelming results seems you either do good with zeo or bad not much middle ground just my opinio not dissing it just noticed eith people love it or have problems.. the link is and they are a sponsor as well also carries Reff Roids and other great products
http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=86_188_192
kirstenk
23.5 Degrees
Well, it has been a month since I stopped the Vodka/Reefresh and 3 weeks on Prodibio only.
Still have cyano. I checked my Nitrates and they are over 10.
I am thinking this is because I stopped the Vodka and maybe Prodibio has not been going long enough.
I didn't use Reefbooster this week either.
Corals look good. Some have deepened in colors and some have lightened. Always mixed messages in my tank.
I was thinking of going weekly on the Digest. What cha think Robert?
Still have cyano. I checked my Nitrates and they are over 10.
I am thinking this is because I stopped the Vodka and maybe Prodibio has not been going long enough.I didn't use Reefbooster this week either.
Corals look good. Some have deepened in colors and some have lightened. Always mixed messages in my tank.
I was thinking of going weekly on the Digest. What cha think Robert?
KIRSTEN
hmmmmm? aren't tanks freakin crazy? i have to ask were your top off water comes from and when the last time the filters were changed. or your sand bed is so litered with poop you were only masking it with vodka addition. test your freshwater then salt mix for nitrates and phosphates. if they are clean I would assume your sand bed is dirty. maybe from along time ago or maybe there is no flow behind the rocks? I have 2 6100 and 2 6000 tunzes and I still have no flow behind the rocks. and my tank is pretty open back there. I just saw this guys tank that got tore down and he thought his bare bottom tank was clean. he had eggcrate stnds so it was very ope in the back. he had 2 6100 tunzes blow straight down in the back corners . when they tore it down I saw a bunch of crap and told them to get all the water they were keeping out before they disturbed any rock. he said are you kidding it's clean back there. the first rock opened up about a 1/'2 inch thick pile of detritus about 1 foot in diameter. imagine not having that much flow back there how bad your tank and mine must be. I am replumbing the inside of my tank this weekend. my supplies to the tank will be going straight down with a cross about 1/2 inch from the bottom. choked way down for more pressure. the tunzes will take care of the top no problem. this guy had incredile growth in his sps and he said the only thing he does different is trying to create an upwelling . thinking about it I was thinking alot if not most reefs probably have currents upwell at some point in the day . I forget how and when that actually works.
here is a pic of the tank I was just talking about. not mine remember.
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kirsten have you ever vacuumed the sand? it may need to be cleaned before you can rely on any of these systems.
hmmmmm? aren't tanks freakin crazy? i have to ask were your top off water comes from and when the last time the filters were changed. or your sand bed is so litered with poop you were only masking it with vodka addition. test your freshwater then salt mix for nitrates and phosphates. if they are clean I would assume your sand bed is dirty. maybe from along time ago or maybe there is no flow behind the rocks? I have 2 6100 and 2 6000 tunzes and I still have no flow behind the rocks. and my tank is pretty open back there. I just saw this guys tank that got tore down and he thought his bare bottom tank was clean. he had eggcrate stnds so it was very ope in the back. he had 2 6100 tunzes blow straight down in the back corners . when they tore it down I saw a bunch of crap and told them to get all the water they were keeping out before they disturbed any rock. he said are you kidding it's clean back there. the first rock opened up about a 1/'2 inch thick pile of detritus about 1 foot in diameter. imagine not having that much flow back there how bad your tank and mine must be. I am replumbing the inside of my tank this weekend. my supplies to the tank will be going straight down with a cross about 1/2 inch from the bottom. choked way down for more pressure. the tunzes will take care of the top no problem. this guy had incredile growth in his sps and he said the only thing he does different is trying to create an upwelling . thinking about it I was thinking alot if not most reefs probably have currents upwell at some point in the day . I forget how and when that actually works.
here is a pic of the tank I was just talking about. not mine remember.
kirsten have you ever vacuumed the sand? it may need to be cleaned before you can rely on any of these systems.
Labman48076
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what about clean up crew
what about clean up crew
I myself reley more on a good clean up grew to get my sand bed in order to really get the sand bed vacummed as you say I would have to take out the whole system allso vacum up a fair amount of good life while getting up some poop. I kniw the msg was not to me but I am just asking isn't a good clean up crew better the sand vacuming? I know lots of reefers that never do this.. just wondering
what about clean up crew
I myself reley more on a good clean up grew to get my sand bed in order to really get the sand bed vacummed as you say I would have to take out the whole system allso vacum up a fair amount of good life while getting up some poop. I kniw the msg was not to me but I am just asking isn't a good clean up crew better the sand vacuming? I know lots of reefers that never do this.. just wondering
kirstenk
23.5 Degrees
Good Morning!
My water source is good. I am leaning towards the salt now cuz I am running out of options. I have used mostly Oceanic and many here in town have felt that this salt........over time........has created cyano. So I will do some additional WC's with Tropic Marine Pro. At least these will drop the Trates.
All in all my tank looks great. I am finally (I swear) happy with the aquascape.
Simon.....are you preferring the Zeo? I am thinking of ordering Start2......seems like that might help me with the trates.
No doubt there are some pockets of goo hanging out in places I do not have access too. I have been lax on blowing the rocks too. I have a good clean up crew and added a Tiger Goby.
Keep in mind this is not the usual red cyano. It is purple/black and prefers high flow.
My water source is good. I am leaning towards the salt now cuz I am running out of options. I have used mostly Oceanic and many here in town have felt that this salt........over time........has created cyano. So I will do some additional WC's with Tropic Marine Pro. At least these will drop the Trates.
All in all my tank looks great. I am finally (I swear) happy with the aquascape.
Simon.....are you preferring the Zeo? I am thinking of ordering Start2......seems like that might help me with the trates.
No doubt there are some pockets of goo hanging out in places I do not have access too. I have been lax on blowing the rocks too. I have a good clean up crew and added a Tiger Goby.
Keep in mind this is not the usual red cyano. It is purple/black and prefers high flow.
hey labman this is a public thread and all are welcome to comment as far as I know so to me any input is welcomed.
as far as a cleanup crew being better than a vacuum? I wouldn't think they would be even close. especially since they are only recycling poop. since they eat poop repeatedly then die someday. if you vacuum you remove the waste before it is broken down or recycled. kind of like a protein skimmer just 100 times better. in my opinion of course. I still to this day have not siphoned my current tank and it has been running around 4-5 months or so. do I need to? yes very badly. I can see the stuff sitting around. up close to the rocks is the worst part next to behind them. I never recommend doing the whole takn at once but I prefer to do it in thirds. if you did it once you would be so amazed at what comes out the first couple times and then after that it's not so bad. I haven't had detactable nitrates in so long I don't understand how people have them at all anymore. it really is a crazy hobby.
hey kirsten do you have sediment filters like socks or anything? or just carbon and skimming?
as far as a cleanup crew being better than a vacuum? I wouldn't think they would be even close. especially since they are only recycling poop. since they eat poop repeatedly then die someday. if you vacuum you remove the waste before it is broken down or recycled. kind of like a protein skimmer just 100 times better. in my opinion of course. I still to this day have not siphoned my current tank and it has been running around 4-5 months or so. do I need to? yes very badly. I can see the stuff sitting around. up close to the rocks is the worst part next to behind them. I never recommend doing the whole takn at once but I prefer to do it in thirds. if you did it once you would be so amazed at what comes out the first couple times and then after that it's not so bad. I haven't had detactable nitrates in so long I don't understand how people have them at all anymore. it really is a crazy hobby.
hey kirsten do you have sediment filters like socks or anything? or just carbon and skimming?
also kirsten my cyano is the same except it is almost completely gone now. just a couple very small patches in the corner. since cutting back to 20% and lowering the fuel a little it has really started to go away. we started around the same time so maybe yours will be going away soon.
TryTheChi
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Hi K
the effects I noticed since going with zeobasic 4 instead of prodibio are that 2 corals which stubbornly refused to lighten with prodi are now, and one has some lovely purple tips showing - not Iwan standards but moving in the right direction. I also think that the bacs shaken off the stones have increased gowth rates a little.
On the negative side - I now get cyno over part s of the rock work and sand, which is a classic sign of zeo bac/food /start 2 od. Even though I'm only about 7 weeks into zeo, I only dose these in very small quanties - so my guess would be prodibio has taken me to the late zeo stage 2 or 3 already. One coral which was a decent (but not magnificent) purple has lightened and washed out and looks not so nice. The others that were lightened are now fine.
So, thus far I'd say that there have been some benefits over prodi - but not huge ones - its not a vastly superior method yet (maybe I'll still get some more gains over the comming months).
It is however a fair bit more expensive to use in both capital outlay and running costs.
I'm not convinced by start2 - maybe it will help with taking NO3 down a little - I dont know - because I didnt have a problem with prodi. I've seen much bigger gains from Kballance B ballance and spur macro elements and zspur2, which really have done my colors good.
When I ran out of zeo bac for a week or so - I dosed digest (without tpim or trace, but with zeo food) and the water clarity was much better with prodi digest than zeobac.
I'm tentatively thinking that the next steps may be:
Digest for bac strain bosting, dosed into a zeo reactor with zeolites or largish chunks of crushed coral to get the mulm release, bacs fed by zeo food 7.
I dont dose reef booster while I'm sticking rigerously to the zeo guide, and miss it as polip extention is no where near as good.
Anyway - another 4 months of the straight zeo method to go for me, then time to see how it can be tweaked.
Cheers
Simon
kirstenk
23.5 Degrees
Rob. I run filter socks and I have stepped up on the change out.
I can't believe my nitrates are higher than when I started. LOL
Simon, if I had just been looking to tweak colors I would have gone with some Zeo. CV, K and Spur2. I have the first two and eventually will get the Spur2 but I gotta wait awhile on that.
I can't believe my nitrates are higher than when I started. LOL
Simon, if I had just been looking to tweak colors I would have gone with some Zeo. CV, K and Spur2. I have the first two and eventually will get the Spur2 but I gotta wait awhile on that.
bosborn1
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Kirsten,
Iam getting that very same black/purple Cyano. Not much but there are isolated patches in...get this.....Front of my powerheads. I have a hard time blowing it off. I have to use a big turkey baster and then it still takes time. I still have the red cyano but its mostly isolated to the sump. I let it grow in there and then regularly havest it. I had never seen this type of cyano in my system prior to doseing the BioDigest. Not to sure if this is the case with most people but it would be interesting if this is in fact widespread.
Scott
Iam getting that very same black/purple Cyano. Not much but there are isolated patches in...get this.....Front of my powerheads. I have a hard time blowing it off. I have to use a big turkey baster and then it still takes time. I still have the red cyano but its mostly isolated to the sump. I let it grow in there and then regularly havest it. I had never seen this type of cyano in my system prior to doseing the BioDigest. Not to sure if this is the case with most people but it would be interesting if this is in fact widespread.
Scott
wrassie86
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I had the same thing happen when i started Zeo a few years back.I was told it was because of crap being released from the rocks.(rocks trying to balance out with the water)If i recall i went from 10 nitrate to around 40-60.who knows what phos levels rose to i never checked.but is was around then i threw in the towel on Zeo and brought every thing back in check with vodka.then replaced my rocks since they were pretty old and in a DSB i learned on for 6years.I hope yours will balance out soon and not reach the point i did.
I have a very light patch about 1/2 an inch left . of course I do not dose like most of the people on here. glad to say cyano is about gone and hopefully for good. if you want to get rid of it stop feeding it so well.
I have been reading all the bottles of prodibio and polyplab and it seems most every product is enriched with amino acids. I think most every death is contributed to overdosing amino acids. if there was no cloudy tanks I just can't see overdosing the bacteria. I have seen bacteria blooms not hurt sps at all. I could be wrong of course but I just don't see how it is possible without a major bloom.
I have been reading all the bottles of prodibio and polyplab and it seems most every product is enriched with amino acids. I think most every death is contributed to overdosing amino acids. if there was no cloudy tanks I just can't see overdosing the bacteria. I have seen bacteria blooms not hurt sps at all. I could be wrong of course but I just don't see how it is possible without a major bloom.
melev
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Small update from my tank: The macro algae in my refugium has died back substantially. I probably have 20% of what was in there originally. Maybe even less. However, two caveats - I have a huge Diadema Urchin that probably eats quite a bit to stay alive; the lights were off for over 48 hours while I treated that zone with Chemi Clean to wipe out the unbelievable amount of Cyano that was spread through those 29g.
Phosphate: .03
Nitrates: 7.5 (like always)
Cyano: Still here and there, but in such small amounts it would be unnoticed in my tank.
Corals look colorful and healthy. The Tyree frag and my "purple monster" (A. secale) are much lighter in color. I actually preferred their prior coloration. All the rest look to be the right color, with no real obvious change.
Phosphate: .03
Nitrates: 7.5 (like always)Cyano: Still here and there, but in such small amounts it would be unnoticed in my tank.
Corals look colorful and healthy. The Tyree frag and my "purple monster" (A. secale) are much lighter in color. I actually preferred their prior coloration. All the rest look to be the right color, with no real obvious change.
kirstenk
23.5 Degrees
I think this purple/black cyano is a low nutrient cyano, kinda like bubble algae. They can both survive in a cleaner system.
I don't think my new Nitrates are due to leaching. I have added fish during this time and feed lots more, but ya never know. A wait and see on that.
Rob..........ya caught my eye here. My cyano first showed up when I started dosing AA's. I have a friend that started at the same time and got cyano too. They stopped dosing and it went away. I was thinking mine started because of die off after interceptor. So, I'm rethinking that now for sure. Booster is full of AA's too. I dosed a Digest this AM. I am not gonna dose any AA's or other supplements for awhile.
I don't think my new Nitrates are due to leaching. I have added fish during this time and feed lots more, but ya never know. A wait and see on that.
Rob..........ya caught my eye here. My cyano first showed up when I started dosing AA's. I have a friend that started at the same time and got cyano too. They stopped dosing and it went away. I was thinking mine started because of die off after interceptor. So, I'm rethinking that now for sure. Booster is full of AA's too. I dosed a Digest this AM. I am not gonna dose any AA's or other supplements for awhile.
