Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

I used to defend oceanic salt like alot of you. Go back, search my username, you'll see all the posts. I've recommended it to tons of people on here.

Then came the algae, for no reason, so I switched to TM. Didn't change my ro/di filters, didn't change anything, just the salt..

Guess what, no more algae. One more thing, I used to mix up my salt in an empty aquarium with a powerhead, heater, and airstone. I left some Oceanic salt mixing about a week. The glass walls of the aquarium were covered in a similar brown slime.

Why are all of you so upset at the fact that there might be a problem? Why so vehemently defend the product, especially given the sheer number of people coming forward with similar claims?

jb
 
At first, I thought all of these claims about Oceanic were the standard, "I have a problem, so whatever I added to my tank last must be to blame".

If it were just an algae outbreak I would still think that, but why this odd brown algae that I have never seen before? In two tanks? And in a mixing bucket? Why so many people having the same unusual problem?

If it were JUST this one test you might have a point, but I have had similar results and others have too. It may not be absolute proof, but it is evidence, and it is only one piece of evidence in a growing pile.

I don't really need double blind, controlled, repeatedly reproduced experiments to tell me that my results with Oceanic are inferior to my results with other salts.
 
grim said:
Why are all of you so upset at the fact that there might be a problem? Why so vehemently defend the product, especially given the sheer number of people coming forward with similar claims?

Vehemently is right. You'd think they would at least admit there is a possibilty of bad batches being produced. But I think fear is the reason why many people keep a closed mind.
 
Well just before I found the Oceanic threads my tank also had an outbreak of the red/brown slime. I am still very new to salt water(just over 4 months) and I assumed it was just due to a young tank. Even though my first and only algae bloom was at the 3 month mark.

What got me looking at the boards was my mixing container also had the red/brown whatever on the sides and bottom. My mixing container is always closed and is only open when I do the WC. I even have it covered when I made my RO/DI into it. There is a small heater and a small PH also. I know this slime started with my 2nd bucket of Oceanic. How do I know? Because I had been pretty anal about checking the containers when I first started up to make sure no PO4 was getting into my tank. I did test after test as a preventive measure. Always zero. That's why I know there was no slime before.

My RO/DI topoff holding container just has a clear cover and there is nothing growing in it. My TDS is always 0. Phoenix has very bad water. On my side of town, where Mojodeli also lives, it runs >600. All that means is we go through DI resin faster. So the only difference, for me at least, between my mixing container and my water holding container is the salt. I don't need to do statistically valid tests to know the salt is the problem variable here.

All Mojodeli did here was accelerate the algae growth. I for one think it was pretty clever to try this. Thanks Mojo.

Phil
 
As I posted on the other Oceanic threads, my 200gal bucket mixed with a po4 level of .5ppm(salifert). My RO/DI water tests 0. I obviously got a bad batch of salt.

Of all salts (besides crystal seas) Oceanic seems to have the most complaints I have seen. There is a quality control issue for this many peole from all over the country to have problems with the salt. It's funny how people on this site will defend Oceanic salt to no end:rolleyes:
 
Who all has been defending it? I've been reading this thread since it started, and continue to follow the posts. These absolute statements are misleading. I'd like to know more specifics, personally, rather than looking at a picture of a barrel.
 
I'd really like to know more about the water in the barrel, including the testable parameters. If this bucket of salt is bad, so be it. I won't discount that a run of salt may be bad.

Matter of fact, that occured a few years ago with Instant Ocean, and I refuse to use that product ever again. It didn't dissolve and it snowed white dots in my tank that stung my corals. IO knew about it and fixed the problem.

If Oceanic has a bad batch, I'm thinking the product should be replaced. And for them to agree it is bad requires the userbase to report PO4 readings and such.

It is common knowledge that RO/DI water is a magnet for anything, and quickly attracts stuff when left uncovered. So the barrel of water being displayed should have the water results listed, including temp, salinity, PO4, nitrate, ammonia... Also TDS of the source water would be nice to know, as well as any tests for silica perhaps.
 
In my case, my TDS is O. I didnt test for silica just po4 with a salifert test kit. I actually used the left over oceanic salt to salt down snow today :D. I never had nusicance algae before using Oceanic salt, and i was able to totally clear up the algae in about 40 days with many IO water changes (about 200% tank volume)
 
I don't think that I'm defending it here, just haven't had the problems that some have had. Alll in all, I have not read any bad experiences with TM or TM pro, I realize that pro is new to the market. It's a little more$$, but what the h#11, we can always make more, right?
 
I hate to even get into this thread, but as I have been waiting to put this out at some point on our dfwmas forum I might as well here. Sorry if its too long.
I have a 215rr barebottom tank mainly sps, the present one up for about six months, after the last one leaked, just transferred all of the livestock. I have a Mr-Reef skimmer, run ozone, use carbon(black diamond) 24/7 changed out every two weeks. And I have a refugium growing chaetomorpha. I use a My-Reefcalcium reactor filled with A.R.M. There is not a bulb on the tank older than 8 months. I test for calcium, alkalinity, magnesium, strontium, iodine-iodide, phosphates,and have a ph probe on an Aquacontroller to watch that.

Facts, I do have an ro/di unit to make water to mix my saltwater, it reads 0 on with a tds meter and as soon as I see it start to climb I change the filters. I mix saltwater in rubbermade container that you roll, it has a cover. I sit it in my closet with a pump, hooked to a timer that circulates the water for 3 hours twice a day, no light. To assure the water does not get stagnant I have a hose attached to the pump hanging above the water that splashes doown into the water surface.
I used Instant Ocean for years using the same mixing container that I have now. I switched to Oceanic salt last spring, almost a year ago. By the way I do a 33 gallon water change every two weeks. (normally) The main reason for the change was I liked the magnesium levels of the salt, as I never had a problem keeping calcium levels up.
A couple of month last summer I actually mixed it 50/50 with some left over buckets of Instant Ocean. I thought at first this was great salt and everything thing looked fine. But I did have problem with the alkalinity levels, running the calcium reactor and the high level of calcium already in the salt. The magnesium levels was about 1300, the calcium always around 500, no strontium and no iodine-iodide.
This fall about October, I went from one bucket to another. About the end of November, beginning of December I noticed the sps corals did not look right, like there was some color loss. Then this brown algae started to appear on the tips of the sps colonies. I could not tell if the algae was killing the tips or the tips were receeding and it was allowing the algae to grow. But it was growing fast. I also was having to clean the glass daily. Not looking at the salt, for weeks I started doing vigorous water changes,(you know the saying, dilution, is the solution). I looked at all the details I could think of and nothing was getting better, just worse. I went through that bucket of Oceanic and started in to a second I had.( same batch number) Finally going nuts I started looking at the salt, time I started the new buckets, the batch numbers, mainly not finding anything else wrong. Finally three weeks ago I went out and bought a bucket of Instant Ocean, I did back to back water changes of 35 gallons. I did another one friday two weeks after the first two. Within a week of the first two, the algae on the tips of the corals stopped increasing and now it is almost completely gone. The color on the sps corals, some that had gone brown has started to return. And I have been able to slow down on keeping the glass cleaned off.
Another thing I did notice and have thoroughly cleaned it out. The inside of the walls of my saltwater cleaning container were covered in this brown junk. I ran three gallons of vinegar for three days, hosed it out and still had to wipe it down with a towel, which was covered in this brown film. The only thing I had ever seen in the container in the past years from the Instant Ocean salt, was that gray flaky stuff that gets on the sides and bottom.
All of this purely coincidental, you can make up your own mind? Yeah I guess it could have been somthing else? But because of my personal experience the last two months, the calcium being way too high for normal magnesium levels, this also causing the alkalinty levels to be low,(yes I know I could constantly buffer) no strontium, no iodone-iodide,(whether or not they are needed), and who knows what else they left out of the salt mix. I for one have gone back to Instant Ocean. You all can make your own choice, besides its your money and your livestock.
 
Sorry if I sound stupid, but I'm really sort of wondering what exactly you're trying to accomplish with this thread?? Do you want Oceanic to take their salt off the market? Are you trying to convince others not to use it? It's obvious Oceanic works great for some peoples tanks, and not so well for others. I think in the end, we can read and read about other peoples experiences, but we really have to figure out what works for us through our own experiences. Have I tried Oceanic? No. Will I after reading this thread? Yes. If it doesn't work well for me, will I b**** and complain about how crappy it is? No. I will simply use another brand.
 
Water Lily, you need to chill out. He's not b****ing and complaining. He's sharing his experience with us which is what most people do on RC. We're here to learn. Obviously, you don't post on this forum very much. If you don't like the subject, then it's customary to ignore it and move on.
 
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Thats fine for you, what if your livestock dies of because of a "bad batch"? Will you then? How about if you have an algea problem you didn't have before? You must remember it's your livestock your money, you wanna play russian roulette go for it, but why switch to something that there is definitely a problum with? It may not be wide spread but it's there. This is the problum with new products that havn't been tested at a mass quanity, there is always problums with quality controls. Whos to say 2 years down the road after they have everthing worked out Oceanic isn't the best stuff out there? It's possiable, but right now just because it works, don't mean that the next bucket isn't the bullet in the chamber.
 
I switched from IO to Oceanic for about 5 months, and had problems, major problems starting at about the 4th month. First is was a major inbalance between the calcium, and Alk, then red slime. I switched back to IO, and am only now beginning to win the battle against the slime. I use RO/DI water from a filter system I own, and I keep the filters changed out maintaining 0 tds (i know abit anal).
 
O.K. .......... I have posted in the other thread about this and I am happy to say that the algae problem that I got after my lfs started using O is all but gone. I to have to say that my tank has never looked better. It just seems to be clearer and healthier looking.
Maybe as one once said in the other thread......" Maybe its not the starting with the salt so much as the changing of the salt "
This might be but without proof.... who knows?
I just know that at first I seemed to have a problem after my lfs changed salt in his water he sells and now the problem seems to be under control.
I now like O and will stick with it until it actually does do some harm.
I did find out though the reason most have off the chart readings of Cal. is maybe they keep their salinity at .025 or higher. This was said by a O rep. to my lfs.
 
Thats not a very good salt if they dont make it to be at 1.025 or higher which is the average range for a good reef tank.
 
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