Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

Those pictures are solid evidence of a faulty experiment, nothing else.

There are bad batches of oceanic - call them and report it! Don't just complain about it. Tell them when you bought, where you bought. They keep batch number lots on record for 1 year and can test the samples that they keep.

All I know is that I've been using it since it came out and am on Bucket 15 with absolutely NO problem. Great Ca, Mg, pH. Alk is 7-8 but that's what I want anyway.
 
Threads like this are making wonder about this salt. There are just way too many negative responses here. I think I will keep using Kent...The only negative thing about Kent salt IME, is the very low strontium and high silica levels.
 
My newbie curiosity asks... why do you have a 250wt de mh bulb above nothing but mixed saltwater?? seems to be a waste of electricity IMO.
 
juststartingout said:
My newbie curiosity asks... why do you have a 250wt de mh bulb above nothing but mixed saltwater?? seems to be a waste of electricity IMO.
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I suspected the oceanic bucket of salt (not all of them) I had was contaminated with something. I put a light over it to see if anything would grow with out nutrients and it did.

I'm trying the same thing using IO. I'll post pics tomorrow.
 
The only thing i have to add here is that i see a small problem in your theory. You claim your chaeto has slowed its growth. That can only be explained by low nutrient levels. Which means that your salt is not adding nutrients as you believe it is. You know sometimes you just have that brown slime. Sometimes poop just happens. I definitely recommend that you switch your salt tho and see if you can get things under control.

Another thing is that you say it is a brown slime which would make me think it might be a silica-using algae. Maybe its possible that your batch of salt is high in silica causing an outbreak of that algae which used up the nutrients and, being more resourceful than your chaeto, slowing the chaeto's growth. Any1 got any ideas on this? And please dont bash the guy by saying he should call them instead of complaining. Its almost like some people are angry at him.
 
Saltz Creep said:
I take it Bio-Sea Marinemix is the least toxic of the readily available salts.
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Ummmm...not quite. That study only means that it is the least toxic to urchin larvae.

Kev
 
jay24k said:
Funny thing is I haven't seen one post about oceanic nuking a tank. It's usually algae growth. Also because a lfs employee tells you a salt is bad, do you believe it? I had one tell me all mandarins eat frozen food so it must be so.
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y'know...

i don't think all lfs employee's are morons or less knowledgeable than the 'average' reef keeper. i accept the fact that i am average because i am learning something new everyday.

in fact, regardless of my lfs store employee story, there is the comment made by anthony calfo, which imo, has more knowledge, experience and hands on than most of us here put together...present company included.

who knows what background this person had at the lfs. for all i know, he may hav a phd in marine biology and once owned an aquaculture farm. in fact, i know a lot of extremely educated people who chose not to go by their education. for example...this one guy who has a phd in philosophy just likes to drink coffee and watch tv...not too productive in most people's eyes but that is his chosen route. or how about someone else i know who is a MD...didint like it and chose to open a check cashing store instead. or my highschool friend...got a masters in 'experimental medicine'...i dont even know what that means. his job? he changes the dirty filters at a juice factory and puts clean ones on. he loves it!

anyway...

just trying to say that 'just' because someone works in a certain place at a certain level doesnt mean that they dont know anything.

heck, i know less and less each day.

oh yeah, my mandarin eats frozen as well as flake! ;)
 
i didnt do a contelloed experiment,but a month or so ago after i mixed up water for 24+hrs. i did a water change and aroung 4 gallons in the rubbermaid tub(which i scub before every use).well about a day later i happen to look ata the tub and it was al kinds aof brown.yuk! i couldnt believe it. so i too believe that they is bad batches out there. and it seem after i do a water change there is a slight algae bloom for a few days. and the more often i cnanged it (one week 3 times) ,the worst it seemed. i started to notice a pattern.agaim not controlled, but its got to make you wonder.and bye the way my tanks is barebottom. ive been using this tub for 4or 5 years, and have always left a little water behind in it and never have i seen this before with other salts.been using oceanic for 3months now...
 
Hahahaha it looks like a portapotty :) i stick to tropic marin , its expensive but at least it doesnt turn .. brown?
 
Seriously, take the time to test the water after it has been thoroughly mixed. If it contains bad elements, I'd expect there to be ammonia & phosphate readings.
 
Also, it is very likely that any plastic container will release enough phosphates to feed all kinds of slime - so it may not be the water or the salt.
 
sradmin said:
Lefty,

Do you have any links to information regarding the release of phosphates by plastic?
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No, but if you do a search on RC, RDO or TRT, you should find plenty of threads.
 
ive used the same tub. and different salts throughout the years. the tub is srcubbed each and everytime.your right this is not a controlled experiment,but come on ,just a coinicidence trhat oceanic is the only one thats is causing this.same water,sametub,same scrub.and i never had it brown on me like oceanic does.
 
I use Oceanic salt only now. All you need to due is raise the alk a little and it is perfect with the increased calcium. Any negative comments on Oceanic in my eyes are unfounded. I have never seen my tank look better and I have used it all, even bio-assay salts like Marine Mix. Oceanic is perfect. Love the way it mixes very rapidly also.
 
mojodeli said:
I'm trying the same thing using IO. I'll post pics tomorrow.
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Be sure to follow the same exact cleaning procedure on the same bucket and keep everything else exactly the same including it's location, temp, light etc, only the salt will be IO. We're anxiously awaiting the results.
 
mojodeli said:
I suspected the oceanic bucket of salt (not all of them) I had was contaminated with something. I put a light over it to see if anything would grow with out nutrients and it did.

I'm trying the same thing using IO. I'll post pics tomorrow.
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O I C, thanks.
 
Did you ever consider that with 250 watts of metal halide the water would evaporate somewhere and probably fall back into the tank with excess crud in the droplets.
 
Here is my view, and I'm about as unbiased as you can get since I don't have a saltwater tank and have never purchased any brand of salt ever.

I think like that other guy said, this really doesn't mean anything unless you have two identical buckets with identical heating and circulation in the same location under the same lights. You really need to test both at the same time too, not one after the other. Air contaminants will vary a lot by day or even by hour and somethings that's in the air today might not be in the air tomorrow. Even weather reports talk about pollen on a day to day or hourly basis and there are many other more subtle things that could have significant effects, like maybe it rained or the humitity is different?

That isn't to say this isn't interesting, it most certainly is. All this really tells us though is that something happened in 2 days, but it doesn't do anything to isolate how or why, and because of that I wouldn't consider Oceanic any more or less from those results.
 
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