Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

I find it somewhat comical that people seem to get these algae blooms that magically disappear when they switch to a different brand. Did you ever consider the bloom had just run it's course and had nothing to do with the salt?
 
1968 Water Lily said:
I find it somewhat comical that people seem to get these algae blooms that magically disappear when they switch to a different brand. Did you ever consider the bloom had just run it's course and had nothing to do with the salt?

no
 
uhh.. the same thing would happen if you hung a halide over a trash can of rodi water with just a powerhead in it
 
1968 Water Lily said:
I find it somewhat comical that people seem to get these algae blooms that magically disappear when they switch to a different brand. Did you ever consider the bloom had just run it's course and had nothing to do with the salt?

Ahahaha...:lol:...

No.

jb
 
AAMMAJ said:
uhh.. the same thing would happen if you hung a halide over a trash can of rodi water with just a powerhead in it
Is that your experience with your RO/DI water after only two days? Algae needs nutrients to grow.
 
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Why are all of you so upset at the fact that there might be a problem? Why so vehemently defend the product, especially given the sheer number of people coming forward with similar claims?
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Vehemently is right. You'd think they would at least admit there is a possibilty of bad batches being produced. But I think fear is the reason why many people keep a closed mind.
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I don't believe looking at the alleged problem from all sides should be considered "vehemently defending" . If you didn't look at it from all angles, now THAT would be having a closed mind. I don't think fear has anything to do with it.
 
Has anyone considered that the contaminnets could have been carried in on the pump that was being used to circulate the mix?
 
I have not read the entire thread but from the first post I can confirm that I get a brown scum growing on the sides my saltwater mix up can when using Oceanic. I do not get the things like you have in your can but have seen an odd white substance that will not disolve in some of the batches I have mixed up. Mine does not get any direct light at all. Just a little bit of light from the room. I too am almost positive that Oceanic is what caused my algae to return. I poured about half of a 90 gallon jug in the trash over the weekend. It may just have been that jug. Using the same 90 gallon jug I did a 60 gallon change on 250 total system gallons (when I removed my DSB from my refugium)and my half of my hammer coral that I have had for 4 years bleached out. I was removing the DSB to try and trouble shoot the return of my algae even though all parameters are in check. The hammer coral has since recovered and I will not do any more changes with Oceanic salt. In the past people have criticized some brands and products and those makers have come here and defended themselves. I would like to see oceanics response to all of this.

About the "just hanging a halide over any saltwater would grow the brown slime". Although this might be true if you used a light, I have no light and with Oceanic I get the brown slime and also some sort of slick coating that forms over the clear tube that I have hooked to a pump that sits in the trashcan. I also have an airstone in the bucket constantly. I never had any of this with IO.

I loved Oceanic to begin with, mixed well, corals seemed to like it, but as I used more and more of it I have the worst hair algae outbreak I have ever had and my hammer coral now bleaches a little bit with each water change. Back to IO or something else for me.


Ebacon, the pump never contaminated the IO salt in mix up and evey time I did a water change I have been wiping the brown stuff down and sterilizing the can with white vinegar. The pump has also been soaked in vinegar as part of my regular maintanence to get rid of calcium build up. I put that pump in with the rest when cleaning. I will doing a water change this weekend with something other than Oceanic and I will let it sit for a day and see if I get any brown stuff.
 
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And this would explane the multiple accounds of brown slime? Maybe they are all sharing the same pump? There could have been but to produce that amount of algea, if thats actully what it is, in such a short period of time that pump must have huge amounts of contaminants and energy sources like phosphates and silicates. Ro/DI water that is pure will not do that if it is in fact pure. That is why we use Ro/Di water if it did do that then there would be no differance from your tap, water after filtering through a DI unit will not attract or draw into it particles. Stuff may settle on to the surface but the water it self will not attract particles because the water has been dionized and reducing its magnetism to attract. For example the New Mr.Clean auto wash system has a deionizing filter so when you rinse your car the water runs off spot free, why deionized same princeable.
 
Azurel,
That is not correct. RODI attracts contaminants more than tap water does. BECAUSE it is deionized it attracts non-polarized molecules. I dont think this would include nitrates or phosphates but it would include some nitrogenous products which may become nitrates and ammonia. I dont believe nitrite is polar and therefore could dissovle into the water. Now i am just theorizing on that from what i know of chemistry but im sure some1 knows the link to the recent thread in reefkeeping magazine about RODI being a magnet to pollutants. Uncovered trash cans just arent a sure thing. Dust is made of your skin and hair and this is most certainly nitrogenous.

As for brown slime a year ago IO was doing that with an entire crate full in the store i worked in the mixing tub.

One last thing everybody keeps saying they sterilize their tubs. I am positive that not one of you completely sterilizes their mixing systems (pump, heater, tubing) every time or even often when mixing so you cant think that the algae is in the salt just because of that. It is possible and likely from what has been said that there are phosphates and possibly silicates in the salt though. Im amazed no1 has tested that yet besides one person. That would be the first thing id do if i had this problem.

Sounds like we need to call oceanic over here or if the people with problems could report to them. There is no use in warning us if you dont warn them.

Oh and i forgot...the brown algae is most likely in all of our tanks at some level. It is a common algae.
 
Another thing to mention about this brown slime on the sides of my can is that you can't really see the slime on the can. I only noticed it doing my regular cleaning. I wipe down the inside of the can with white vinegar, rinse, wipe again, and rinse a few more times. It was when I was wiping that I noticed it on the sides of the can.
 
Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

and I'm still waiting.........

(I use IO, but I have yet to see any compelling solid arguements with controls and hard numbers showing actual proof here)

In the words of the great Donald to his apprentice lab techs here:
YOU'RE FIRED!!!! :D
 
Deionizations is the process which removes the negative ions from water, thus decreasing its conductivity.

gatohoser,

I think you could be right.....I was thinking of lack of conductivity in the sense of the water attracting molicules as opposed to the conductivity of the water itself. So I went back to a few sites about DI and re-read them you could be correct.....
 
wow - everyone's gettin' soooo upset. I haven't had any problems - I drop a teaspoon a baking soda in the mixing bucket to adjust the alk.
 
Frick-n-Frags,

It seems to me if it were "great" there would be no post like this, which seem to be pilling up. I have used Oceanic a few times for some water changes cause of the increased Ca, but will no longer do so just for the simple fact that I am not willing to play russian roulette with my reef.
 
1968 Water Lily said:
I find it somewhat comical that people seem to get these algae blooms that magically disappear when they switch to a different brand. Did you ever consider the bloom had just run it's course and had nothing to do with the salt?

You got a point but it is still funny how my own problems seem to start at about the same time there was a change in the salt. Anything is possible I guess. I for one do have an open mind. Being that I have only been in this hobby for ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ã¢â"šÂ¬Ã‚¦. lets sayââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ã¢â"šÂ¬Ã‚¦. about......... not quite 5 months now. Still learning here and am open to all thoughts and thinking before I make a solid decision. I like facts as well but am willing to try new things if I think it rationally and positively is motivated toward a beneficial outcome. Just like garlic with helping with ick. It seems to work for me but might not for you. Being that said .......... I have tried to ask if certain things be possible where it be airborne pollutants that have some how entered everyoneââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s tank or top off water to looking at others ideas of bad buckets that they mix with. There are many ideas here in this thread but we all seem to be coming back to the one integer that we all seem to have in common and that is the salt. But still, anything is possible. I would love nothing more than to find out that it was something else that I may have done. Done at about the same time that may have caused the problem. I for one am not made of money and like the idea of spending a little less for a product that is just as good or better as the rest. Like I have stated before in my last post, I will continue to use "O" until I can find bona fide proof that it is the reason or not. Maybe even beyond if I can find that I can correct the problem inexpensively by other than changing salts once again.
 
"Has anyone considered that the contaminnets could have been carried in on the pump that was being used to circulate the mix"

Guys I hate to say but alot of you are reaching for a answer thats not there.

I mean come on whats next? The earths Gravational pull? IO has been out a very long time and it shows:)

Getting 550 calcium right out of a fresh batch of Oceanic is not normal.
 
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