Queen Angel in a SPS tank? Any experience?

Beautiful fish. I'm definitely going to try one after I have a Regal Angel established and then I should be done stocking wise (on large fish).

What is that yellow and blue butterfly in the first picture? Chaetodon Fasciatus?
 
Beautiful fish. I'm definitely going to try one after I have a Regal Angel established and then I should be done stocking wise (on large fish).

What is that yellow and blue butterfly in the first picture? Chaetodon Fasciatus?

semilarvatus...from red sea..
 
Actually I think he means the butterfly in the left of the photo, which indeed is Chaetodon fasciatus... the Red Sea raccoon butterfly...

I give two heavy feedings a day to my displays... sometimes three on the weekends if I'm home... I feed my QT tanks more frequently depending on what I have in each one... I feed a mix of frozen foods which includes a slurry of many different seafoods, in addition to a gel bound food for some of my larger specimens... much more important is keeping your corals healthy rather than what you're feeding though...
 
Hmmm, interesting. I'd love to see a list of Butterflies thatare possible in a reef rather than a blanket "not reef-safe". Does Chaetodon Fasciatus eat coral?
 
Science is all about experimentation. We experiment with animals all the time; this is nothing new. The idea that we may kill one or two fish (or more) in the process of learning about the fish and its care is just a natural part of the scientific learning process, and to say that doing this is a negative thing in our hobby is not entirely accurate, if in fact it is done in the name of science and research.

Sure, you are going to lose fish along the way; however, at some point, the losses decrease due to increased knowledge and information gained from those fish that died in the name of research. And they represent the first steps into a more successful keeping of that same fish later on down the line.

Please do not be so naive.

This is a hobbyist not a scientist.

I do not understand this train of thought... Do you feel the same towards larger animals as well or just fish?

Would you get a dog or a horse just to see if you could keep it alive? I doubt it...
 
Please do not be so naive.

This is a hobbyist not a scientist.

I do not understand this train of thought... Do you feel the same towards larger animals as well or just fish?

Would you get a dog or a horse just to see if you could keep it alive? I doubt it...

hes from new york
 
Angel in a reef

Angel in a reef

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He did very well in this mixed reef. I have since sold the tank and fish but I enjoyed for a year and now someone else is enjoying him. Sorry it is not a Queen but I don't think Queen angels come from the middle of the ocean? Try adding different corals to her tank and see how she does?
 
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Please do not be so naive.

This is a hobbyist not a scientist.

I do not understand this train of thought... Do you feel the same towards larger animals as well or just fish?

Would you get a dog or a horse just to see if you could keep it alive? I doubt it...

If you are speaking of using larger animals for experimentation in trials to determine safety of drugs, then yes.

I do not support housing a dog in a 400 square foot Manhattan apartment however; even I am not that cruel :rollface:

And, to add, this discussion is not about keeping the fish alive, but rather, keeping the fish in a tank with corals that many say would be impossible to do. However, there are a few on here who have had success. Does that mean everyone should throw Queen Angels in their reef tanks? Of course not. However, if proper knowledge is acquired, and proper research is done, and one is willing to push that envelope in the hopes that the Queen is a docile fish, then I say go for it. If the Angel decimates corals, then you can always remove it. It will not kill the fish to move it out of the tank if there is a problem.

However, we should not make blanket statements about fish and give people information that, while it may be the majority, is not always the rule.


BTW, that is a nice Queen in that picture above, and look at all those healthy...ahem...live corals!!!:thumbsup:
 
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He did very well in this mixed reef. I have since sold the tank and fish but I enjoyed for a year and now someone else is enjoying him. Sorry it is not a Queen but I don't think Queen angels come from the middle of the ocean? Try adding different corals to her tank and see how she does?



Is that Xenia covering your tank? Looks good!
 
Well, Chris... you already know "Junior" is doing just fine. But he's an imp- not a Queen.

I can't imagine why there would be any change in copps situation but it would be interesting to hear what he has to say.
 
I can't imagine why there would be any change in copps situation but it would be interesting to hear what he has to say.

I wasn't thinking of John... a local reefer... praised the glory of a Queen angel in a reef.... a while later, couldn't sell it fast enough.

So, I was wondering if this is typical or atypical.
 
I wasn't thinking of John... a local reefer... praised the glory of a Queen angel in a reef.... a while later, couldn't sell it fast enough.

So, I was wondering if this is typical or atypical.
how long did that fellow have his Queen?

What kind of reefkeeping experience did he have... was he a seasoned vet or a noob?
 
Gary, I've discussed this before. Many fish, including angels, are great in reefs... until something goes wrong. Things go wrong for reefers... you can't change that. And when it does, the compatibility structure changes.

Also, there is a whole lot of discussion about what makes a "reef".... many different people keep many different corals.
 
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Gary, I've discussed this before. Many fish, including angels, are great in reefs... until something goes wrong. Things go wrong for reefers... you can't change that. And when it does, the compatibility structure changes.

Also, there is a whole lot of discussion about what make a "reef".... many different people keep many different corals.
we've both discussed all of those topics to death but I had some questions about the particular fellow you mentioned.

How large was his aquarium? Did he purchase his Queen as a juvi or sub adult?

Not looking to critique anybody. Just wanna hear of experiences.
 
First, let me be clear... I am not anti-angel in a reef. I am anti-any fish in a reef that will munch on your corals the minute something goes wrong, in a reef.

Things go wrong... I am in the midst on a tank failure now, with no clue why.

If you think tank size (within reason) and age of the fish makes a difference, I will state that you are wrong. IMO it's all about what the fish does with unhealthy corals... it happens.

It's ALL about the health of the coral.
 
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aquarium size DOES make a difference here

aquarium size DOES make a difference here

Holocanthus ciliaris gets HUGE. Much bigger than my imperator. Much bolder disposition, too. These guys are HOGS. A Queen is likely to eat zoanthids like so much popcorn IME.

I'm unaware (but sorry) about what is happening with your aquarium over there. Things can go wrong with anything to anybody at anytime.

I don't want to use this thread for my personal view point on Angelfish in a reef aquarium but for those wondering I do agree Angelfish will pick on unhealthy corals. This can be a good thing.

Trying to push forward with more useful information.......
 
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