Questions 'bout loc-line?

[Jgoal55]

So my tank has 3 1.5" drains, I think I want to run to 1" return lines. does this sound right or should I go with 3/4" returns?

Also, the biggest loc-line as far as I know comes in 3/4" so if I go with 1" returns Id have to get it down to 3/4" anyway to use loc-line at the end of the return line. Is that ok to do?

Last question is this: Im going to have a loc-line Y at the end of each return so basically 4 outlets. Should I add those flare nozzles or eductors or anything like that???

PS - if it helps, Im running a MAG 12 return.

 

[mrx66699]

i run basically the same set up except im running 8 loc-line returns and yes I have the y at the end of e ach with a flair at the end of each but I dont think your mag 12 is going to like this too much you need to be ware of the diff between a pressure pump or a volume pump I take it you went with the mag 12 for the volume now you are splitting things down from the 3 inches of somewhat unrestricted return flow to a restricted return of 3/4x4 if you are attempting to get more flow in the tank you may be getting less you can do things this way for flow if you use the correct style pump or compensate with a pennductor (sp) (educator) at the end of the loc-line to compensate for flow in the tank but this is not going to up the overall volume in the sump (ie the overall volume of water being flipped)

 

[Jgoal55]

not sure i understood exactly what you're saying but I chose the Mag 12 only because I already have it. No other reason really. I figured if it doesn't work Ill change but I might as well give it a shot. Im running two vortech's Mp40's on the tank so I wont be depending on my return for flow.

That said, any additional flow that comes from it is never a bad thing. I should have been clear in my original post but I guess Im trying to figure what exact loc-line pieces I should be buying. Especially if I jump on the group order with chuck.

 

[Rogger Castells]

To answer your question Jorge, 3/4" should be your size loc-line, but do not reduce the 1" return as the adapter you will need is an elbow that goes 1"slip to 3/4" thread.
The Mag 12 would be my last choice of pump due to electrical consumption and heat transfer, but if that is what you have then use it.
Do not bother placing penductors at the end of the line because there wont be enough pressure to make then work properly, however the flare tips are your best choice as it will spread the water flow nicer and wont add back-flow pressure.

Cheers!

 

[Jgoal55]

thanks Rogger.....yeah eventually ill upgrade that MAG 12 but one step at a time. Id rather upgrade the skimmer first, get a cal. reactor second, and then the pump.

so let me get this right: Are these the things I need:

4 of these:
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/p188/Flare-nozzle-for-3/4"-Loc-Line-Modular-Hose/product_info.html

1 of these (6 segments):
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/p187/6"-(6-segments)-of-3/4"-Loc-Line-Modular-Hose/product_info.html

2 of these:
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/p193/Y-fitting-for-3/4"-Loc-Line-Modular-Hose/product_info.html

2 of these(???):
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/p194/...-3/4"-Loc-Line-Modular-Hose/product_info.html


I dont see the slip adapter your talking about rogger on their site..????

 

[Iammatt219]

oceans motions makes something very similar to loc-line in 1" and 1.5" cepth they call it omni-flex

 

[Rogger Castells]

yes that is all you need, plus Savko.com part number b407010
http://www.savko.com/partlist.asp?pgid=3

or you can get it in Lowes but they only have it in white....I like the black one better

 

[Jgoal55]

yes that is all you need, plus Savko.com part number b407010
http://www.savko.com/partlist.asp?pgid=3

or you can get it in Lowes but they only have it in white....I like the black one better

yeah definitely black is a must. Im going to do the top 1/4 section of the plumbing in black PVC. no white for me.

so basically, Ill have two 1" PVC pipes going from the return pump all the way to the top of the tank.

Then one 1" Black PVC elbow on each side

Then a small straight piece of 1" black PVC on each side to get across the euro bracing

Then another 1" Black PVC elbow bringing the plumbing back into the water

Then the b407010 part on each side and I connect the loc-line to that

lol....right?

 

[Rogger Castells]

right, but the black pvc elbow is the savko part

 

[mrx66699]

george stop by and take a look at mine I have all the parts you are purchasing except I have eight and not four, let me know

 

[Jgoal55]

george stop by and take a look at mine I have all the parts you are purchasing except I have eight and not four, let me know

sweet. Thanks. you have extra or you're just saying so I could check it out and see how it's done.

If you have extra I'll buy them off of you.

 

[Jgoal55]

right, but the black pvc elbow is the savko part

ok...got it. So this thing: http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/p194/3...duct_info.html


threads directly into the Savko part which slips onto the 1" PVC.

 

[Rogger Castells]

you got it, so you will run your vertical 1" pvc pipe approx 1/2" below your overflow wall and then use the black elbow slip side down into the return pipe, from there you will screw the lockline fitting.

 

[Jgoal55]

perfect thanks Rogger.

Im thinking I'll use an extra non-threaded elbow and a small piece of 1" PVC to get the return line back over the euro-bracing so that the threaded part of the loc-line (where it meets the PVC) is over the water as opposed to being over the tank.

Not sure if that makes sense, but it makes sense in my head. lol. I dont want the salt creep that develops over that thread falling over the euro-brace all the time. Id rather it fall back into the water.

 

[mrx66699]

george I run mine without the elbow peice mine run loc-line from the bottom of the inside of the tank straight up to the top of the tank one on each side in the back then they bend forward on each side and have a y then about 8in out one pointed towards the side front and one angled toward middle front this is on both sides of the tank now on my closed loop I have it split on the bottom of the tank same way each front bottom corner of the tank right above the sand one on each side of the tank bottom with a y one split pointing to the side and the other pointing toward the middle of the tank I have the flair on all 8 of them at the tips let me know if you need any help or some pics

 

[Jgoal55]

nah i think I got you matt. Thanks. that makes sense (though I did have to read it like 4 times...lol).

My tank is only drilled for overflows and not returns so while I don't technically have to use elbows, I will, only to have the joint back over the water.

 

[mrx66699]

ok so your returns are outside the tank thats cool all my plumbing is inside the tank runs right through the bottom then up the back the black loc-line just blends in with the black acrylic background, I didn't want any plumbing on the outside of the tank the back of the tank sits literally a half inch off the wall, it has 7 holes in the bottom one for the closed loop drain two for the closed loop returns one for the main display return that is split in two under the sand and three overflow pipes one full siphon one durso that changes into full siphon if the full siphon has an issue and one emergency that is a straight shot into the sump if the first two have issues