Rare Anemone at Ki's

[jimwat]

I would just like to invite the non-believers to come on out to Denver and see this anemone for themselves.

Isn't that the whole problem. If there was more information provided so that you did not have to actually travel to see the animal to believe it, there might not be so much confusion over its authenticity.

However, if you have $1200 to spend on an anemone, the price of a flight to CO should not be that big of a deal.

 

[RicksReefs]

lifes to short to get worked up over something that
can & will have no effect on me. carry on carrying on.

 

[Jimbo]

I've been at this hobby for many years, and I've seen may nice E. quads. Claiming that this anemone is something different shows a lack of integrity - period. Even if it's unusual in it's color, so what?
The seller isn't saying "hey, I have a spectacular E. quadricolor, so I'm asking this price" If she had done that, then we'd pretty much say "she's high" and move on.
However, she's claiming it's something different altogether. That is fraudulent behavior folks. Why do you think so many of us are speaking out? Because we picked this seller at random and just feel like being mean?
It's an E.quad, period.
The seller should provide a scientific name if it's such a "rare" anemone. She has of course be unable to do that.

Jim

 

[jdallred]

I think because of the price being asked you would still have the same responses even if he could provide detailed info. I think people just naturally, and with good reason, assume that if someone is asking a large amount of money for something, that very few people have seen, it must be a scam.

 

[jimwat]

Would you sell a generic 'pool' to your customers? I could just hear you saying, "No, it has water in it... Here's a picture... Uh, filter requirements? I don't know. Uh, Chlorine Needs? Uh, I don't know. Cleaning? Uh, don't know. Size of hole needed in your yard? Don't know, but look how rare and beautiful it isââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦"

How long would you be in business?
Not long - I promise.

This is not a very good analogy as there are more than a few pool builders in Florida just like this (who are still in business). It would not surprise me if Rick has had to clean up after some of them on occasion.

 

[Jimbo]

I think because of the price being asked you would still have the same responses even if he could provide detailed info. I think people just naturally, and with good reason, assume that if someone is asking a large amount of money for something, that very few people have seen, it must be a scam.

No I don't think so. As I said above, claiming it's an unusual E. quad would be one thing. That's not what is going on here, she's claiming something else altogether which makes the listing deceitful.

Jim

 

[Shoestring Reefer]

lol i paid $40 for mine. the green really comes out under higher spectrum lighting. my 6500k washes out the green during the day. mine has grown from 4" to 7" in about a month and is happy in the tank (not moving around)

So, you have seen the anemone they are talking about, and paid $40 for a similar one? By the way-Got a pic?

 

[Jimbo]

So, you have seen the anemone they are talking about, and paid $40 for a similar one? By the way-Got a pic?

That's neither her nor there. Bubble tip's sell within a certain price range regardless of color. You think that no other reefer in the country as one as nice? Please.
Again, if it's not an E. quad then the seller needs to provide a name and info. Or call it what it is. Then she can ask what she wants and people will just think she's nuts, not a scam artist.

Jim

 

[jdallred]

Jim, actually in the description on eBay it states that it is a bubble anemone. Where is it stated that this anemone is "something different altogether"? If it is a different colored E quad does that make it different than the other E. quads? Jim, how are you basing your opinion that it is in fact a E. quadricolor? And in this hobby color does matter to a lot of people and has a lot to do with pricing. I would like someone to quote the fraudulent statements made by this person, not what you think they said or what someone elseââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s opinion is but what was actually stated. Below I have attached the link to help you out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46308&item=4311849454&rd=1

 

[Misfit6669]

Wow, now this is what I call fun!
Brian

 

[jimwat]

Here is what I find troubling about the listing

I cannot guarantee live arrival

Can you imagine paying $1200 for this and have it die before it makes it to your door...Ouch!

 

[ghansen]

Brian, doesnt this just make you want to grab a beer and chips and watch the computer monitor

 

[FishinInTheDark]

Joe,

I'm with you on this issue.

I've seen bubble algae being sold as "rare" on eBay, but nobody cared because he was asking a low price. Here, we have a color variant of a common species, so maybe it's rare. Maybe it's not. Either way, I think everyone is up in arms over the price. If someone buys it, good for them! The seller has done just what our economy is based upon: capitalism. The buyer will have a pretty anemone that gives him pleasure because either he thinks it's rare, he thinks it's better because it was expensive, or he just likes it. They both win.

I just don't understand the big deal here, but I thought I'd chime in on your side, because so many aren't!

Conni

 

[Jimbo]

Jim, actually in the description on eBay it states that it is a bubble anemone. Where is it stated that this anemone is "something different altogether"? If it is a different colored E quad does that make it different than the other E. quads? Jim, how are you basing your opinion that it is in fact a E. quadricolor? And in this hobby color does matter to a lot of people and has a lot to do with pricing. I would like someone to quote the fraudulent statements made by this person, not what you think they said or what someone elseââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s opinion is but what was actually stated. Below I have attached the link to help you out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46308&item=4311849454&rd=1

Thanks Joe, I've seen her listing however. Yes, it's clearly an E.quad., the morphology is unmistakeable.
Here is a quote:

however I have never been able to find any additional information on these in any book.

If she was selling it as what it is, an E. quad, then should wouldn't need to say such a thing. There's plenty of information about Entacmea quadrocolor out there. Color means nothing if you're just looking for information on a species.
I just purchased an extremely unusual bright pink individual last weekend. Stunning, and far above average. I cost me $50.
For an extraordinary specimen, $180 would not be out of line.



Cheers
Jim

 

[jimwat]

I've seen bubble algae being sold as "rare" on eBay, but nobody cared because he was asking a low price. Here, we have a color variant of a common species, so maybe it's rare. Maybe it's not. Either way, I think everyone is up in arms over the price. If someone buys it, good for them! The seller has done just what our economy is based upon: capitalism. The buyer will have a pretty anemone that gives him pleasure because either he thinks it's rare, he thinks it's better because it was expensive, or he just likes it. They both win.

I just don't understand the big deal here, but I thought I'd chime in on your side, because so many aren't!

Well said! On one hand it does seem pretty outrageous, but compared to the multitude of other overpriced crap on Ebay...

 

[Misfit6669]

Yeah ghansen but I am at work so I can't eat chips at the workstation but I am all about the beer.
Brian

 

[danellis06460]

I don't really agree with the way the auction is being conducted but I will comment on one thing about the items rarety.

In all the threads I have seen about this on RC and RDO I have not yet seen anyone say they have the same anemone so I would guess it is kind of rare.

 

[Shoestring Reefer]

P.S. To all the Sherlockââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s out there: Great investigative work!!! My name is Patrick Wascher and I have not been trying to hide it. My email is pwascher2000@yahoo.com. Also: Yes, I have 3 more of these, why would I sell one if it is the only one I have

I'm the shirlock he's talking about.

#1: I have not attacked you, so so I hope you don't have a problem with me. I'm one person, not part of a pack.

#2: In another thread, you seemed offended and no one knew why because you did not say it was your anemone. I pointed out that it might be you, which would explain why you seemed offended. I was curious about your response, that's all. If you would have just said who you are, people wouldn't have to play sherlock.

#3: No one said you were hiding your identity, at least not me. If you were, we wouldn't have figured it out. But your RC user name is different from the ebay user name that the anemone is listed under, so not everyone could figure out that it was you right away.

#4: Maby internet communication isn't your strong point. For example:
-Your anemone pics look look regular rose BTAs. No matter what they look like in your tank, people can only see the pics. Waiting until you got better pics would have been helpfull.
-People in the other thread didn't know who you were, and you never told them, but responded to them as though they should know. Saying "I'm the guy that put it up for auction" would have been helpfull.
-You offered nothing to support the statement that they are rare. A link to a reputable site that calls it rare, or referencing a book, would have been helpfull.

 

[jdallred]

Jim, I agree with you, they could at the very least put that but I feel it is still a stretch to assume that this was meant to be fraudulent, especially when they state in the ad that it is a bubble anemone. I would be willing to bet that you be hard pressed to find that kind of detail on any eBay listing, including the ones for rare items.

You talk about the morphology in deciding that it is an E. quad but you didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t detail what exactly you got from the pics that made you draw the conclusion you did.

Congats on the purchase (any pics), how much are rbta and gbta going for where you are?

Brian, you know you are having fun reading this thread otherwise you wouldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t be reading it.

 

[musicsmaker]

how much are rbta and gbta going for where you are?

~ $40 where I am, or $14.95 if I want to order one from eBay. That's for a RBTA. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46308&item=4312078201&rd=1