RDSB v Chaetomorph

It's my understanding that algae sequesters more phosphate than it can use when available in case phosphate becomes limlted later on. So those numbers might be conservative as far as our reef tanks are concerned.

It is possible that is true for some species. I don't know if it is true for those that we use, however. But it may be.

Ron Shimek found 0.008% phosphorus in wet weight caulerpa from aquaria. I've not seen data on the wet to dry weight ratio to compare it to the above ocean values (0.08%), but if it is 90% water, the values match. :)

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-12/rs/feature/index.php





I certainly agree that many folks may not have a large enough refugium, or bright enough lighting to take up all the nutrients that they want it to.

My system is fairly complicated and extended. There is a link to a thread below that goes through it all (a while ago). I have two reef tanks on it, a 120 and a 90.

The return from the 120 goes through my 2 older refugia on the way to the sump, and the 90 return goes through the two newer refugia on the way to the same sump. I have 2 Iwaki 30 RLXT pumps in series that pump the water to a T that sends some water to each tank and some to an ozonizer. The ETS 800 gemini skimmer is on the sump.

I have 4 different refugia now. One (about 18" x 24") is lit by two bulbs that are 45-60 w halogen spot or flood lamps on track lighting. One (about 24" x 30") is lit by a 175 w, 4300 k mh bulb, and 2 (each about 20" x 30") are together lit by 8 fluorescent tubes that are, IIRC, 34 w 3000k, 4 foot tubes. The two old refugia have deep aragonite sand beds on the bottom, but I think they do little to nothing. The new ones have no substrate.

I presently grow Caulerpa racemosa in all of them. For a long time I grew Chaeto. But Caulerpa gradually took over and out competed the Chaeto, so I interpret it that the Caulerpa is a bit more efficient at nutrient removal.


http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=698596
 
This thread has been quite inspirational to me. I have a 34 gallon 32"x16"x16" tank divided into a 24"x16"x16" display and a 8"x16"x16" "fuge/sump".

Until now I've run a Tunze 9002 DOC nano skimmer, but wasn't happy with the noise (it's not even that noisy) or the performance. Now I've put a 24W 6500K PC bulb with a reflector over the fuge and I'm growing chaeto there on a reverse light schedule.

It's only been a week, but it seems like my corals are more colourful now. No added algae growth (apart from the chaeto of course) and nitrates measure 0.
 
The two old refugia have deep aragonite sand beds on the bottom, but I think they do little to nothing.

I have learned much over the years here, and much of it from Randy Holmes-Farley.

I would never ever think that my sand beds do little to nothing, however. They house a lot of life and diversity.
 
I would never ever think that my sand beds do little to nothing, however. They house a lot of life and diversity.

OK, I meant little to nothing with respect to denitrification. :)
 
Very interesting. :)

I've never been in a position to test a RDSB properly. All three of my tanks have had sand beds in them from the start, and my refugiums with deep sand beds have always had macro in them. Without setting up a system only for testing a DSB for nitrate reduction, I can only go by what others have stated. I do know there are a lot of folks using the "Calfo style RDSB" for nitrate reduction. Have they mis judged the cause of the results?
 
I'm just judging my sand bed based on observing the production of N2 bubbles. For the first 6 months or so, it produced lots of bubbles beneath the surface, and I would easily get bubbles to be released from the sand by poking it. That is no longer true. I can drive objects deep into the sand, mixing it a bit, and no sign of any N2 bubbles. It seemed to stop producing many bubbles at about the same time that the macroalgae took off and began growing rapidly.

That doesn't mean it isn't doing something, but it is doing a lot less than previously for whatever reason. Perhaps the macroalgae is taking it up first, perhaps something else has changed.

Based on that experience, when I set up my newer refugia, I left the sand out.
 
I certainly agree that many folks may not have a large enough refugium, or bright enough lighting to take up all the nutrients that they want it to.

My system is fairly complicated and extended. There is a link to a thread below that goes through it all (a while ago). I have two reef tanks on it, a 120 and a 90.

The return from the 120 goes through my 2 older refugia on the way to the sump, and the 90 return goes through the two newer refugia on the way to the same sump. I have 2 Iwaki 30 RLXT pumps in series that pump the water to a T that sends some water to each tank and some to an ozonizer. The ETS 800 gemini skimmer is on the sump.

I have 4 different refugia now. One (about 18" x 24") is lit by two bulbs that are 45-60 w halogen spot or flood lamps on track lighting. One (about 24" x 30") is lit by a 175 w, 4300 k mh bulb, and 2 (each about 20" x 30") are together lit by 8 fluorescent tubes that are, IIRC, 34 w 3000k, 4 foot tubes. The two old refugia have deep aragonite sand beds on the bottom, but I think they do little to nothing. The new ones have no substrate.

I presently grow Caulerpa racemosa in all of them. For a long time I grew Chaeto. But Caulerpa gradually took over and out competed the Chaeto, so I interpret it that the Caulerpa is a bit more efficient at nutrient removal.


http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=698596 [/B]

thanks for posting the link----can you do anything about the pictures--they don't show up--just a red box with an X

with the number of refugiums you have--how often do you do a water change?
 
Unfortunately, no. Back in the past we had more gallery storage capacity. RC didn't remove anything, but to add one more recent photo, I had to remove about 20 older photos. Here's a current tank photo:

3491Randys_Tank_March_2__7_.jpg
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12271089#post12271089 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CaptainCoral
Looks like Rose Bubble tip.

it looks more like a pink long tip anenome then a rose anenome--I have one--the arms are fatter and shorter
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12269145#post12269145 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
Unfortunately, no. Back in the past we had more gallery storage capacity. RC didn't remove anything, but to add one more recent photo, I had to remove about 20 older photos. Here's a current tank photo:

3491Randys_Tank_March_2__7_.jpg

great looking tank--thanks for posting it
 
Thanks. :)

The anemone is an H. Crispa. It is purple/pink, although the color does not come through all that well with the camera flash.

Yes, the clowns are in the soft coral. Remarkable, they spawn just a few inches away from there the pink skunk clowns spawn in the anemone.
 
Liveforphysics,
It does not look like your chaeto tumbles. Is that right? How much flow is going through your chaeto? What does HPS stand for?

Joe
 
My chaeto does not tumble. I have the full flow of a dart at ~5ft head going through both fuges in series from the gravity fed return. I used to have 2 korella-4 pumps in each fuge as well, but it doesn't seem to make any difference if I have them or not

HPS = High pressure sodium. It's a very common lamp type for hydroponics.
 
When I grew Chaetomorpha I never had mine tumbling either. Maybe it would have been better doing so, but then you are more limited to a smaller amount in the refugium. Mine were often quite filled. In some sense I think that more capacity (i.e., more macroalgae) may outweigh any benefit of tumbling. :)
 
Mine also does not tumble. But I keep it spread thin and turn it once a week. Does not seem to inhibit growth. But, as Randy says, it might do even better if it were tumbling. Anthony Calfo is big on tumbling.
 
Thanks Liveforphysics,

I'm really impressed by the amount of chaeto you remove weekly.
Can you tell me what kind of corals you keep? Are you using carbon or any other filtration?
 
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