Re-Inspire or Critique my 240 In-Wall Dream please

zachtos

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Help me, I have $23,000 leftover after my house purchase. My budget is getting thin and I refuse to go over $10,000 for a 8x2x2' acrylic tank in wall... I need the rest of the money for updating the house and appliances... I no longer will have enough money to redo one of the basement rooms without going into further debt. Help make suggestions or give me reasons why to go this big !!!

I'm buying a house in Mt. Pleasant in Michigan. I plan to close on a house within the next 30 days. I'm actually planning to put this tank in wall, in a Living room and then convert a room behind the living room into the tank room. This will allow me to save alot of money on plumbing and return pumps/electric by saving 10-15' of head loss and save money by not needing a fancy stand or hood since it'll be in wall.

Sorry it's so hard to read my wish list.

Display Tank
240G Long Acrylic $1,050.00 acrylic from glasscages.com w/ ship and holes and overflow
$-
In wall Costs $500.00
Lighting
16 36" T5 w/ icecap660 ballasts $1,500.00
Xmas lights, blue LED $50.00
rail system $100.00
Electric panel $200.00
Water Movement
return pump $220.00 dual mag 18's
DIY Wavemaker $140.00 dual surge buckets, u siphons
tunze x 2 $240.00
Temperature Control
.25hp chiller $700.00 unsure of need still, probably need
dual 250W heaters $50.00
Controllers? $- neptune temp/ph??? 200
Filtration
PROTEIN SKIMMER $600.00
Refugium $- use existing 75G for fuge/return sump
remote DSB $55.00 trash can DSB
calcium reactor $600.00
kalk reactor $-
LR $300.00 DIY
LS $100.00
phosban/carbon reactors $200.00 2 reactors, media, one rio2100+
Sump
return tank $100.00 dividers, hood, suspension, base
plumbing $300.00 fittings, valves, piping etc
Grow out tank $- future addition likely, plumb and plan it though
Quarantine Tank $- future addition likely, plumb and plan it though
Maintenance
RO/DI unit w/ TDS mtr $230.00 DI unit not needed if phosphates under 10ppm naturally
autotopoff $84.00 dual float valves, trash can w/ sealed box and float valve
refractometer $75.00
salt $125.00 enough to fill atleast
suppliments $40.00
test kits $60.00
food $100.00
Dehumidfier/Vent $200.00
Generator $500.00 GENERATOR - need some sort of current flow
Livestock gas generator - 300-500$ 3oooW and 3-5hp is enough
coral $610.00
fish $280.00
clams/dusters/urchin $170.00
cleaners $100.00
Cultures
iso/nano cultures $50.00
brine shrimp
pods $50.00


TOTAL = $10,010
 
I would consider a tank with more depth maybe 6x3x2. Similar volume but you will have alot more aquascaping options. All you can do with a 8x2x2 is an 8 foot rock wall.

I wish I had more depth in my 3x2x2- if I could do it again it would be 3x2.5x2!

Also, glasscages are very hit or miss with customer satisfaction . . . . make sure to read the reviews before you commit.
 
Why acylic.....have you had one before?? They can be a pain with scratches and cleaning.

Also I noticed you plan a 8ft tank but you plan on using 3ft T5HO's. Why not use 2 rows of 48" T5's??
 
typo: I'm going to use 16 - 48" T5's, I would use 16 - 36" T5's if I grabbed a 6' tank instead.

I can't make up my mind on the acrylic vs glass debate. A few reasons are because acrylic is more clear, half the weight (will be very tough to move glass), and is much more resistant to cracking and bursting (peace of mind), lasts longer (10+ years). Drawback=scratching. It's gonna happen. Supposedly you can just keep using finer and finer grits of sand paper until the scratch is gone. By the way, all of my glass tanks have scratched too, just not as often.

Undecided on the vendor for my tank still. I think 3' deep is gonna bee a pain to clean/maintain and hard to light without 400W MH (electric bill skyrockets now). I'm only going 8' long instead of 6' so I can have more fish so it isn't so lame while the tank grows out.

I'll also use a great stuff foam as a backdrop wall to make it more interesting.

I trimmed corners as much as I can while keeping excellent equipment, It's so tough staying under $10K to start. The DIY GARF LR will take forever and a year.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8739968#post8739968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zachtos
typo:
I think 3' deep is gonna bee a pain to clean/maintain and hard to light without 400W MH (electric bill skyrockets now).

I meant 6L x 3W x 2H
 
my old 360 was 8x3x2 and i can tell you, you will LOVE the extra depth front to back...if you want acrylic, i suggest you call andy at myreefcreations, he built my new cube and his work is top notch. he was very helpful in planning, building and shipping the tank.
 
i did something similar and made a list of what i thought i needed and priced it for a 600 gallon acrylic fowlr, here is the outcome:

wall cutout and custom wood stand 600
rewire/wire 8 wall sockets 325
96x48x30 acrylic aquarium with external overflow 3000
custonm sump 72x30x24 700
dart needlewheel protein skimmer/custom waste collect 2200
new 75 gpd ro/di 170
2 eheim 1250 modified to produce 4500 gph each 120
rubbermaid 150 stock tank for ro/di water 150
rubbermaid 150 stock tank for water change 150
reef filler pump for automated daily water change 300
sequence hammerhead return pump 300
move/locate aquarium 200
aquazone deluxe ozone 200 mg with proble 352
400 lbs live/base rock (had 200 lbs existing) 1000
4 48" Tek Light: 4-54W T5 HO Fluorescents 900
16 54W 11000K Aquablue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent bulbs 351.2
AquaController junior 300
top off tunze osmolator 150
plumbing 600
misc setup items (salt, test kits, refractioner, magnet etc) 1000
fish 2000

total: 14868.2

keep in mind the fish stocking will be done over the course of 1 year or maybe longer. i'm sure additional items are missing, for instance i decided to set up a huge refugium in my sump so i'm bought a 55 gallon plastic barrel for a remote deep sand bed for $30, little things like that.
 
Does anybody have any ideas on how to NOT have an inwall system with a house with no basement and two large living rooms? how would I tackle this?
partitioning the rooms? pumping to the garage laterally?
 
zachtos, I agree with everyone else... I would try to go atleast 36" front to back if not even bigger :)

coral $610.00
fish $280.00

With these quotes you must not be planning on keeping very much... Corals you can get frags from local reefers for a good price, but as far as the fish... I guess it depends on what your looking for... I would go out to a few fish sites and look up the fish you want and do another price list... Also with the fish / corals you can slowly add over time which is recommended anyways...

www.petsolutions.com

fishsupply.com

For your return, I would skip the 2x MAG 18s and go with a Dart, Those MAG 18s are going to add a good bit of heat to y our system, if you went with a Dart your chances of needing a chiller will be smaller (still not saying you will not need one) but if you do need one it till prob run less... You can't just look at the startup cost, you need to look at what it will cost down the road ever month to run the system... Once person can spend 10k up front but it would cost $200.00 a month to run the system... Another could spend $14k and it only cost $80.00... Granted it would take some time to recoupe the $4k, but in the long run you would have better equ and once you each that point of breaking even your monthly maint/running will be $120.00 less...

How far away is your garage ?? Are you two living rooms side by side ?? If so you could add a "fake" wall... Can you draw a quick pic of what you are dealing with ??

clekchau, Since you are just doing FOWLR I really think you could get away with 8x T5s... I would start with 8, you can always add more later... Maybe even 12...
 
Yeah, thats the amount I plan to start with. I'll slowly accumulate frags over time. This list is more or less a startup cost.

I calculated out about $100/month to run the tank ($50 for electric based on our 5.7cents/kwh and $50 for bulb changes/salt/food etc).

I haven't decided which house to buy so it makes it hard. I'll know this week though. One house I could go into the garage, another I could go into the basement, another I could use a bedroom and go inwall and another I could partition a room. It's hard to decide. Plus I may opt for a smaller tank if I have to.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8756869#post8756869 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zachtos
Yeah, thats the amount I plan to start with. I'll slowly accumulate frags over time. This list is more or less a startup cost.

I calculated out about $100/month to run the tank ($50 for electric based on our 5.7cents/kwh and $50 for bulb changes/salt/food etc).

I haven't decided which house to buy so it makes it hard. I'll know this week though. One house I could go into the garage, another I could go into the basement, another I could use a bedroom and go inwall and another I could partition a room. It's hard to decide. Plus I may opt for a smaller tank if I have to.

Heres a thread I started with a 400 gallon room divider I put into my house. I have pics on how I did it..Overall I probably spent $4000 doing everything myself.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=633183
 
Spend your money on a GOOD tank. I do not hear good things about glasscages.com and the amount of water you are talking about could easily RUIN your home if it suddenly found itself outside the tank. I would sure go with a starphire glass tank with the kind of money you're throwing around. For the size you're talking, metal halides in combination with T5 banks would be most efficient by far. It would also allow you to keep "islands" of high-light demanding corals. A number of former largescale tanks of the month employ this strategy. Are you seriously going from a 4 gallon to a 220? That is a heroic leap, my friend.
 
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