Regal Angel Primer

[Finsky]

Palythoa/Protopalythoa

Palythoa/Protopalythoa

I wonder why both my Regal and Blue Girdled Angels have never gone anywhere near my palythoas which I know are palythoas with the powerful nerve toxin as I purchased them as such from the Divers Den. They are not the protopalythoas.

Caution: All species of Palythoa produce a chemical called Palytoxin, which is a very potent neurotoxin. It is found in the heavy mucus coat of these species. They must be handled very cautiously. It is very important to wear hand protection when touching these animals - especially if the handler has any breaks in the skin. After handling, proper hand-washing is recommended.

I would think these would kill a fish if eaten?

 

[szwab]

I would venture to say they have some sort of immunity. After all most corals have some sort of toxin/defensive mechanism where some predators are affected and others are not.

 

[mark54321]

Hi, I just pulled the trigger and got my first Regal. Looks great , it is acclimating right now. I will post more pictures when it tank.

 

[MarcB]

Nice fish. Keep us posted!

 

[Finsky]

Powerful Neurotoxin

Powerful Neurotoxin

I would venture to say they have some sort of immunity. After all most corals have some sort of toxin/defensive mechanism where some predators are affected and others are not.

I would deferr to an zoololigist on this one and try to get back to the forum.

 

[maddog2002]

My Regal

My Regal

Already in my 135G for about 5 months. She doesn't touch any of Corals(include Zos)!

 

[Finsky]

Regal Angel appetite

Regal Angel appetite

Already in my 135G for about 5 months. She doesn't touch any of Corals(include Zos)!

Can we get any photographs of you Zoos?

 

[MrGone]

 

[maddog2002]

Regal with Zoos

Regal with Zoos

With the Zoos

 

[Finsky]

Howdy!

Howdy!

With the Zoos

That would be an evening snack for my Regal!

Goes to show you each fish is an individual.

 

[mikid]

regal and zoas

regal and zoas

so far in 5 months,havenst seen any zoas of palys closed up, one frag of keds reds look a little fun but time will tell........

 

[Psionicdragon]

anyone noticed that some regals are coming in with some weird infection? i just read a few pages back and seems like people are having the same issues with death from infection.

recently lost one regal, despite eating all the time, to some kind of infection. it would get skinnier and skinnier. the infection started under a scale and expand a little. then stops. but the health of the fish declines.

 

[Finsky]

My Indonesian Regal Angel is going on two years this August and I have had him with a Blue Girdled in the tank one year. They are both about 3 1/2 to 4". I have also had him in with a Purple Tang and Powder Blue Tang who have both been in the tank for over two years.

I have 150 lbs of live rock, corals, anemones, dwarf hermit crabs and he is really doing well. I have five large bubble tip, three green and two red rose, who get fed razor clam once per week. I feed the tank Monday, Wednesday, and Friday with Kent Marine Microvert, Photoplex, Chromoples, and Zooplex.

When I feed the razor clam I break leftovers and toss pieces in the tank which the Regal enthusiastically gobbles up. He also gets flake, freeze dried mysis and brine, pellets. I soak the food in the Vitamin C and Selcon. I have also been dosing the tank with Vitamin C every day.

My Regal is looking healthier every day slowly with the vitamins as he had the very beginnings of LLHE after two years and I have had him on vitamins for about four months to date and the white is turning into the characteristic gray of the Indonesian species of Regal Angel. His fins and body color were looking brilliant yesterday when I gave him a close look over.

 

[bradleyj]

That would be an evening snack for my Regal!

Goes to show you each fish is an individual.

You are exactly right there. I've had mine for well over three years now and has never touched a zoa or pally. But can devour a scolymia in a week.

 

[szwab]

anyone noticed that some regals are coming in with some weird infection? i just read a few pages back and seems like people are having the same issues with death from infection.

recently lost one regal, despite eating all the time, to some kind of infection. it would get skinnier and skinnier. the infection started under a scale and expand a little. then stops. but the health of the fish declines.

I've heard of most coming in with flukes. Have any pics by chance?

 

[LukFox]

I've had these guys for a week now. They're alert, active, and very hungry . They're also sick, though. They've been through a round of prazi, and I have them in copper (cupramine) right now but it's very hard to keep the levels up with the sand and rock in there. I'm going to be putting them in a more bare set up tomorrow so it will function better as a hospital tank.

All this talk of infection has gotten me worried as well, and seeing as antibiotics have such a quick treatment I may do that before resuming cupramine in the more bare tank. I'm not really worried about the ich taking these guys out immediately since they are otherwise doing very well.

Pictures...

They're still sizing each other up. The plan is to pair these two. Blue belly on the left, yellow on the right.

Yellow eating clam:

I was only able to get one decent shot of the blue. The dirty glass kept ruining all of my shots lol.

The yellow only picks at mysis and NLS pellets, but fortunately she destroys clams. The blue eats everything enthusiastically.

 

[mikid]

regal

regal

nice pair...ive had my juv red sea, for 7 months....eats everything but love the fresh food mix(silver sides,scallops,clams,octo,squid,flying fish eggs)blended in a food processor with water,thaw out with ro and serve,all the fish just love the fresh mix...even the picky eaters.....keep up with the info to see if they pair and at least get along......:fish2:

 

[Finsky]

Very pretty fish and I do not see any white ich spots in your photos. They are just beautiful.

This is just my personal experience, I have never used medicine in 16 years of fresh water tanks and my present 120 gallon reef tank with fish. I tend towards the water quality and temperature, variety of food, and vitamins. I cannot say I have never had a fish die although it usually happens when they are looking good and all of a sudden I find a floater. Usually this happens with newer fish although I presently have all the fish my tank can handle.

I have always upped the temperature when fighting ich from way back when I had a pair of breeding fresh water angels and other fresh water fish over 16 years.

I do not want to curse myself by saying how long it has been since I have "seen" ich on one of my fish including a Powder Blue Tang at 4 1/2 inches I have had for three and a half years or the Purple Tang I have had for three years, a Blue Girdled Angel I had for a year and a half, and last but not least the "Indonesian Regal Angel" weighting in at 3 1/2" I have had for two years.

My Indonesian Regal(grayish bluish belly) as opposed to the Yellow Belly Regal from the Red Sea was is one of my favorite fish and it absolutely loves the 150 lbs. of live rock.

I have always kept my reef tank at least 80 degrees with two 300 watt visi-therm heaters. Of course with a 60" Marineland Pro Lighting Systems with two 150 MH bulbs and four 54 watt actinics the water gets a little warmer although I have had an air conditioner since losing a Ritteri two plus years ago due to the heat.

I since have gone with five Bubble Tips and have a two year old Red Rose which takes the heat up to 86ish. If the anemones start to look a bit odd I turn the air conditioner and/or fans on.

I would start dosing with a good Vitamin C product in a big way as my Regal was the only fish which just started to show the very beginnings of LLHE above and below each eye. After dosing the tank for a few months with vitamin C and soaking the food as well with Selcon I have seen the grayish blue color cover the tell tale white of LLHE. Now there is just a slight big above the eyes. I was told LLHE is a very slow disease coming and a very slow disease going.

I am going to order a bottle of 'Vita-Chem multiple vitamin to add to the vitamin C and Selcon as I think I have the LLHE on the run with most if not all the white around the bottom of the eyes turned back to the blueish gray.

 

[LukFox]

You can see the ich on the last photo of the blue, on the tail. The tail is a bit blurry in that shot so it's not immediately noticeable. Sometimes they don't have any spots and sometimes they have up to 5 each, but it's definitely there and the blue one is scratching. I think the blue has it pretty bad in the gills because when I let the copper level drop for a couple days his gills seemed a bit swollen. Plans to move them to a more bare set up did not go through on time, but that will definitely be done tomorrow. I'm getting a bit worried about the blue one and I need to start a full copper treatment before he starts going downhill.

I've been treating every new fish as a precaution and things have been going very well, though I'm glad to hear what you're doing is working for you, too! I had a pretty bad time with ich last year. It finally got me after years of not QTing or treating, so now I'm not taking chances. I'm even keeping non-fish things in isolation for 3 months before putting it in the DT (things like macro algae, shrimp, etc). I've gotten a bit paranoid, but it's working nicely for me at least.

I did not plan to treat the regals with copper so soon, though. I like giving fish at least 3 weeks to settle in the QT before using copper. This situation was different, though. I was leaving town last weekend, and the regals had visible ich. This made me nervous enough to add copper slowly beginning early in the week, and thankfully they handled it just fine even at .5, though I was ready with the carbon in case things went bad. I really didn't want to come back Sunday night to ich covered regals :eek1:.

More good news today though. I've found the yellow belly regal LOVES 1mm NLS pellets. She still doesn't look at the 3mm pellets, though (this is what I feed in the DT). The blue one already loves the 3mm pellets, thankfully, and interestingly doesn't touch the 1mm pellets. Hopefully I'll get the yellow on the bigger pellets eventually, but for now I'm just happy she's eating pellets at all.

Good luck getting the erosion to go away! It can really take a while, but I've been lucky in having fish recover fully or with the really severe cases, at least mostly. Sounds like you're doing your best.

 

[Finsky]

Yes, I did notice the tail on the last photo although it was a little blurry. It still does not look like major white overt dots.

Hopefully they will start to come around with your TLC. It is a good thing to have them eating and you can always soak their food in a vitamin and/or Selcon mx which you may already be doing.

I just thought of soaking my Ocean Nutrition pellets.

It was good to hear someone had success treating LLHE.

Keep those guys eating!